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On the main page, there is a headline on the "In the News" column that claims to link to an article with a video of an apparent attempted murder of an election fraud witness. However, on that very same article, an editor's note claims that it is not an attempted hit on a fraud witness. I think this headline should be removed from the main page as soon as possible, to ensure that Conservapedia maintains its credibility. --[[User:Toby Chester|Toby Chester]] ([[User talk:Toby Chester|talk]]) 06:17, 9 December 2020 (EST)
On the main page, there is a headline on the "In the News" column that claims to link to an article with a video of an apparent attempted murder of an election fraud witness. However, on that very same article, an editor's note claims that it is not an attempted hit on a fraud witness. I think this headline should be removed from the main page as soon as possible, to ensure that Conservapedia maintains its credibility. --[[User:Toby Chester|Toby Chester]] ([[User talk:Toby Chester|talk]]) 06:17, 9 December 2020 (EST)
==RfC==
I propose we establish a Conservapedia Project page for dispute resolution and editors to air their grievances against other editors, rather than clog up Andy's talk page. I propose we call it [[Conservapedia:Kangeroo Court]], unless somebody has a better name. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:32, 31 January 2021 (EST)
:Hmm, good idea. After all, then Andy won't have to deal with notifications about users posting on his talk page on arguments he appears to take no interest in involving himself in. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Monday, 12:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)
::If Andy wants to get involved in one of these peeing contests, there's nothing stopping him. This would encourage users to resolvd problems among themselves. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:15, 1 February 2021 (EST)
:::I think we should just stick to keeping Conservapedia simple. Having dispute resolution pages can end up being a mess, like it is on Wikipedia. [[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 21:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)
::::Every dispute doesn't' have to be resolved. The idea now is simply to keep trolls off Andy's talk page and give editors a place to air grievances, which may or may not be legit. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:17, 1 February 2021 (EST)
:::::You're starting again with the false accusations, Rob. You should've left well enough alone when Karajou removed this section and took that for the signal he was sending you, but now you're making like the proverbial "dog with a bone" that just won't drop it and let it go (especially now with your attempts to appeal to other editors here). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:27, 1 February 2021 (EST)
::::::You're only continuing to prove my point (and Karajou's point) every time you do this, Rob. Ever since you decided to go rogue and bend a knee to the Biden regime with that post on my talk page falsely accusing me of "trolling" while leaving a link to that DHS note (which appears to have been the moment that you snapped), you've been getting progressively worse. The only reason you put that warning template up to hide what I have to say is because you don't like what I have to say, and only liberals resort to that kind of censorship for similar such reasons - and every time you do this, you only further prove that point. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:46, 1 February 2021 (EST)
:::The Kangaroo Court will reduce the incidence of divisive flame wars, giving aggrieved parties a place to vent their <s>spleens</s> differences. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:08, 2 February 2021 (EST)
No one is going to post on a forum with a title like the one proposed. This page is as good a place as any for the "Why is RobSmith so mean?" discussion. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)
:The objective is to establish a process where editors know they will be heard. Right now, Andy's talk page is the first and last resort for complaints and disputes. Some (probably if not most) are too trivial to deal with, which Andy doesn't have time to deal with. This leaves some editors frustrated for not getting resolution to their problems.
:A Kangaroo court will give all editors a chance to present their case with evidence before objective viewers. The viewers can then reject it without merit, or possibly render a decision one or both parties. The decision of course is without any enforcement mechanism, and blocking editors can cite as a second offense if the user doesn't mend their ways. Andy of course would be the Final Court of Appeal, but only after the Kangaroo Court rendered a decision.
:Sysops would be the only group of editors with direct access to making a complaint against a Sysop on Andy's talk page, by-passing the Kangaroo Court, and eliminating the frivolous cases we've seen in the past. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:04, 2 February 2021 (EST)
:I'd like to let this drop and move on, but RobS is clearly unwilling to and he's letting it affect both his judgement and his ability to do his job. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:45, 2 February 2021 (EST)
Nothing wrong with this "Kangaroo Court" idea. Except the name, and that name would be a deal-killer. I don't like to copy names from other projects. But maybe "Board of Arbitration" would fit better.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 08:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)
:Or "Consultative Assembly" or anything would do. There just ought to be a process where people know they will be heard, no matter how valid or ridiculous a complaint might be, rather than chaos, helplessness, and frustration some users now feel. I just want to get the ball rolling on some ideas to kick around. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 08:55, 2 February 2021 (EST)
I don't think its a bad idea, but is Rob calling for this or is Andy calling for it? It is said that this would clean up Andy's talk page, but I don't see Andy saying that. Do we have enough regular editors to necessitate an Arbitration committee? As noted above by another user, it can get messy over at Wikipedia. What is the problem being solved with this, is there a rash of users being banned who are legitimate users? (not trolls or deviants of some kind) [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 22:53, 2 February 2021 (EST)
*What the heck is this, an “HCM” on Conservapedia? I vote <b>NO!</b> to this, simply because one of the founding principles of our wiki is that it is to be a meritocracy, not a mobocracy like Wikipedia or the Rat-Tard nest. With all due respect, RobS was just recently banned from the Rat-Tard nest, and appears to miss it enough to want to institute a page like their “chicken coop” here. This is not the first of his Ratdiculous suggestions; I recall he once wanted to have a “vandal bin” like they have. The Ratdiculous way of doing things has failed over there, causing the Rats to adopt policies more like Wikipedia’s and even our’s, so why in the world would we want to bring that here? [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 11:55, 3 February 2021 (EST)
::::::::::As a newbie to Conservapedia, there are references that I do not know. What is the "Ratdiculous" "Rat-Tard nest"? -- --[[User:CharlesShirley|CharlesShirley]] ([[User talk:CharlesShirley|talk]]) 18:00, 4 February 2021 (EST)
:::::::::::It is a reference to a group of trolls and other weird people who run an online forum. All you need to know is that several of them are banned from Conservapedia, at least three of them are indefinitely banned from ''Wikipedia'', and that we do not link to them on this site as it is NSFW/S. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 22:19, 4 February 2021 (EST)
::::::::::::::[[User:DMorris|DMorris]], thank you for the background information. -- --[[User:CharlesShirley|CharlesShirley]] ([[User talk:CharlesShirley|talk]]) 12:12, 5 February 2021 (EST)
::::::::::::Can you give the name of the site (assuming of course it isn't RationalWiki)? Just want to have a clear idea since, while I have worked on this site since the early 2010s, this is the first I've ever heard of this site you alluded to. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:56, 5 February 2021 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's RW, alright. We just choose to avoid mentioning that name here to avoid giving them undeserved attention. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 06:01, 5 February 2021 (EST)
::::::::::::::Ah, alright, then. I heard of that site a little while back, but not quite in that context. And if it is true that RobS actually tried to turn this site into another RW, that makes his behavior even MORE shameful, including calling me and Northwest RW trolls despite my at the very least not setting foot onto that site even once (well, okay, I did stumble upon ONE article on there, for KiwiLinks, when trying to hunt down any comments on that site after discovering I was the butt of some jokes there, but I never edited that article, and I certainly never joined, let alone acted on their behalf.). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:03, 5 February 2021 (EST)
::Although the name "Kangaroo Court" is not a good name, it would be a good idea to resolve disputes without getting Andy involved if he doesn't need to get involved. In other words, it would lift unnecessary burdens on Andy in terms of his talk page.
::I suggest calling the court "Conservapedia Court".
::Two definitions of a Kangaroo court are: "1) a mock court in which the principles of law and justice are disregarded or perverted 2) a court characterized by irresponsible, unauthorized, or irregular status or procedures."[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kangaroo%20court] So this would be a bad name for the court.
::If things are not resolved via the "Conservapedia Court", then an appeal can eventually be made to Andy if a Sysop or Sysops fail to resolve the matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:08, 3 February 2021 (EST)
:::Right. It wouldn't have any power to enforce anything, it's just a place where an editor who thinks he has a problem can go and complain about somebody. If the case has merit, other editors can look at the context and make a finding of fact. This would keep the trolls off Andy's page. If it's something he wants to get involved in, he can look at the findings. Right now we just have trolls and whispering campaigns. This is not healthy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:25, 3 February 2021 (EST)
Any dispute should be resolved peacefully, but never through a [[kangaroo court]] or anything remotely similar, and certainly not via the intrigues and machinations of a power-mad individual (RobS) who caused this problem in the first place. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 04:30, 5 February 2021 (EST)