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::::::::::::::::Historically speaking, it is hard to think of an example where it has been rooted out completely.  Yes, historically there have been agencies and whole generations of people ostracized, the SS & NKVD for example. But even Weimar bureaucrats survived in the civil service throughout the Nazi regime.  Deep Staters like Reinhard Gehlen and Werner von Braun (representative of the technocracy and leadership) survived.  Putin would be in that class, but it does not mean, as Pokeria ridiculously crusades for, that he's a dedicated communist. The Stassi is another example. It survived the East German state, was strengthened as a legitimate political party in the greater unified German state (Die Linke), and its tentacles now have an international reach into Antifa and the Black Lives Matter movement. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:45, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
 
::::::::::::::::Historically speaking, it is hard to think of an example where it has been rooted out completely.  Yes, historically there have been agencies and whole generations of people ostracized, the SS & NKVD for example. But even Weimar bureaucrats survived in the civil service throughout the Nazi regime.  Deep Staters like Reinhard Gehlen and Werner von Braun (representative of the technocracy and leadership) survived.  Putin would be in that class, but it does not mean, as Pokeria ridiculously crusades for, that he's a dedicated communist. The Stassi is another example. It survived the East German state, was strengthened as a legitimate political party in the greater unified German state (Die Linke), and its tentacles now have an international reach into Antifa and the Black Lives Matter movement. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:45, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::::::::Yes, he IS a dedicated communist. Or maybe you've completely forgotten about that Sochi speech, or how he directly aided and abetted Marxist groups (you know, the same Marxism that Obama adheres to via Nicaragua and Angola?). If he weren't a dedicated communist, he'd be out there exterminating them. It's that black and white. Even God made it that black and white. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:18, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::::::::Yes, he IS a dedicated communist. Or maybe you've completely forgotten about that Sochi speech, or how he directly aided and abetted Marxist groups (you know, the same Marxism that Obama adheres to via Nicaragua and Angola?). If he weren't a dedicated communist, he'd be out there exterminating them. It's that black and white. Even God made it that black and white. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:18, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
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::::::::::::::::::You seem to have Jehovah God and Jesus Christ confused with Allah; you don' win brownie points with Jehovah and Christ by exterminating God's enemies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:25, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
 
Putin is not the enemy. The Deep State wants us to believe that he is, because he’s a constant foil for its agenda.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:34, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
 
Putin is not the enemy. The Deep State wants us to believe that he is, because he’s a constant foil for its agenda.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:34, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
 
:His 2007 speech at Munich deserves to be on the list of “writings critical of the Deep State.”--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:38, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
 
:His 2007 speech at Munich deserves to be on the list of “writings critical of the Deep State.”--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:38, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
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:::::::::This is a generalized re-statement of [[Samantha Power]] & Hillary Clinton's R2P, ''Responsibility to Protect'' that created the Libyan & Syrian disasters, and brought black African migrants in Libya back into the slave trade.  And who were the "oppressed" by Gadaffi? Radical Islamic terrorists, al Qaeda offshoots and the founders of the Islamic State ([[LIFG]]).  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 04:25, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
 
:::::::::This is a generalized re-statement of [[Samantha Power]] & Hillary Clinton's R2P, ''Responsibility to Protect'' that created the Libyan & Syrian disasters, and brought black African migrants in Libya back into the slave trade.  And who were the "oppressed" by Gadaffi? Radical Islamic terrorists, al Qaeda offshoots and the founders of the Islamic State ([[LIFG]]).  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 04:25, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
 
::::::::::It's not a restatement, RtP is an outright perversion of the concept by Hillary Clinton. Using your logic, we should have abandoned ALL of Europe to the Soviets after World War II, leave France speaking Russian, also the UK, even leave Japan to the mercy of the Soviets, all to ensure we avoid creating disasters by protecting anyone. Because that would have been the ultimate result of not creating NATO. Personally, I would have preferred that George Marshall just shut up about any misgivings he had about Chiang Kai Shek and explicitly side with him over Mao's group and especially not essentially disarm Shek's forces, which would have done wonders in at the very least preventing China from going Red if not even make some headway in preventing the Communists from taking over Eastern Europe, thus avoiding the Cold War altogether. However, that's no longer an option, so we have to go by what we have. And BTW, Hillary Clinton if anything bashed the whole concept back during the 1960s after she went radical left thanks to her preacher and Saul Alinsky (who was the George Soros before Soros became a known name) when we were fighting Vietnam, as did her future husband Bill Clinton, who went as far as to orchestrate explicitly anti-American protests while studying abroad at Oxford. As far as Gaddaffi is concerned, if you ask me, we should have wiped out both Gaddaffi AND the radical islamists, then what's left over of Libya is turned Christian. THAT would have been the way to go. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 04:53, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
 
::::::::::It's not a restatement, RtP is an outright perversion of the concept by Hillary Clinton. Using your logic, we should have abandoned ALL of Europe to the Soviets after World War II, leave France speaking Russian, also the UK, even leave Japan to the mercy of the Soviets, all to ensure we avoid creating disasters by protecting anyone. Because that would have been the ultimate result of not creating NATO. Personally, I would have preferred that George Marshall just shut up about any misgivings he had about Chiang Kai Shek and explicitly side with him over Mao's group and especially not essentially disarm Shek's forces, which would have done wonders in at the very least preventing China from going Red if not even make some headway in preventing the Communists from taking over Eastern Europe, thus avoiding the Cold War altogether. However, that's no longer an option, so we have to go by what we have. And BTW, Hillary Clinton if anything bashed the whole concept back during the 1960s after she went radical left thanks to her preacher and Saul Alinsky (who was the George Soros before Soros became a known name) when we were fighting Vietnam, as did her future husband Bill Clinton, who went as far as to orchestrate explicitly anti-American protests while studying abroad at Oxford. As far as Gaddaffi is concerned, if you ask me, we should have wiped out both Gaddaffi AND the radical islamists, then what's left over of Libya is turned Christian. THAT would have been the way to go. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 04:53, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
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:::::::::::NATO was a quickfix solution in 1948 to the failures of what the ambitious United Nations had envisioned for a post-War peace in 1945. It was never part of FDR's plan or vision - in fact, it was and is the complete opposite.
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:::::::::::As to your defense of R2P, does that apply to the citizens and taxpayers of [[Vichy regime]], who did more for the Nazi war effort than the handful of exiles who left the continent with DeGaulle? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:25, November 3, 2021 (EDT)
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::::::::NATO is no longer a defensive alliance. It is an offensive alliance. It is now what the Warsaw Pact was in 1955.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:55, October 26, 2021 (EDT)
 
::::::::NATO is no longer a defensive alliance. It is an offensive alliance. It is now what the Warsaw Pact was in 1955.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:55, October 26, 2021 (EDT)
 
:::::::NATO apparently now exists so when some third world bumpkin like Gadaffi, in a divided country of 3 million people [https://www.smh.com.au/world/gaddafi-sitting-on-143-tonnes-of-gold-in-libya-report-20110322-1c4cj.html sits atop 143 tones of gold] and gets too big for his britches, criminals like Hillary Clinton, Nicolas Sarkozy, and David Cameron can go down and snatch it (kinda like Wotan and Loge in ''Das Rheingold'').  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:21, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
 
:::::::NATO apparently now exists so when some third world bumpkin like Gadaffi, in a divided country of 3 million people [https://www.smh.com.au/world/gaddafi-sitting-on-143-tonnes-of-gold-in-libya-report-20110322-1c4cj.html sits atop 143 tones of gold] and gets too big for his britches, criminals like Hillary Clinton, Nicolas Sarkozy, and David Cameron can go down and snatch it (kinda like Wotan and Loge in ''Das Rheingold'').  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:21, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
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