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Debate:The Groyper Wars (view source)
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, 23:27, November 20, 2021→My Opinion
::::I think Nick is making perfect sense in the video you linked. I don't think he means "identity politics" in the Obama-esque "I'm black n y'all gotta do everything I say or you racist" sort of sense here. Sounds to me like he's talking about political ideology that prioritizes white identity. (''White-identity'' politics, rather than white ''identity-politics'', if that makes sense). Also, he's not saying we can't come together as American patriots or Christians, he's just saying that many conservatives pretend that race isn't a thing, and that we can't properly fight the anti-white agenda if we don't recognize whiteness. [[User:Vince Did 7-14|Vince Did 7-14]] ([[User talk:Vince Did 7-14|talk]]) 14:22, November 20, 2021 (EST)
::::I think Nick is making perfect sense in the video you linked. I don't think he means "identity politics" in the Obama-esque "I'm black n y'all gotta do everything I say or you racist" sort of sense here. Sounds to me like he's talking about political ideology that prioritizes white identity. (''White-identity'' politics, rather than white ''identity-politics'', if that makes sense). Also, he's not saying we can't come together as American patriots or Christians, he's just saying that many conservatives pretend that race isn't a thing, and that we can't properly fight the anti-white agenda if we don't recognize whiteness. [[User:Vince Did 7-14|Vince Did 7-14]] ([[User talk:Vince Did 7-14|talk]]) 14:22, November 20, 2021 (EST)
:::::From 37:30 - "Race is the basis, and I wish it wasn't that way. Understand, you know, people look at me and they say, 'That's the guy! That's the white supremacist that wants to make everything racist!' I didn't make it that way. Don't point the finger at me, don't blame me! I'm looking at the world and telling you how it is, I'm explaining it to you. I didn't make the world, okay? Don't blame me, I didn't make America the way it is!... We do have to acknowledge where we differ, and we have to account for those things so that we can live together in harmony... To the extent that it is possible that we get along, the way that we get along is by understanding our differences, accommodating for those differences, and then we can flourish. Not ignoring them, not pretending that they don't exist." [[User:Vince Did 7-14|Vince Did 7-14]] ([[User talk:Vince Did 7-14|talk]]) 14:40, November 20, 2021 (EST)
:::::From 37:30 - "Race is the basis, and I wish it wasn't that way. Understand, you know, people look at me and they say, 'That's the guy! That's the white supremacist that wants to make everything racist!' I didn't make it that way. Don't point the finger at me, don't blame me! I'm looking at the world and telling you how it is, I'm explaining it to you. I didn't make the world, okay? Don't blame me, I didn't make America the way it is!... We do have to acknowledge where we differ, and we have to account for those things so that we can live together in harmony... To the extent that it is possible that we get along, the way that we get along is by understanding our differences, accommodating for those differences, and then we can flourish. Not ignoring them, not pretending that they don't exist." [[User:Vince Did 7-14|Vince Did 7-14]] ([[User talk:Vince Did 7-14|talk]]) 14:40, November 20, 2021 (EST)
::::::I'd like to believe that race shouldn't factor into anything. In the abstract, it shouldn't. But that's not the world we're living in. You and Nick are right about that. This racial stuff has been foisted upon us. Matt Walsh pointed out that the Virginia governor's race was won by "white grievance politics" and "that's a good thing." We have to deal with the intensity of anti-white hate on both the left and the right properly. I get what you're saying about the difference between white identity-politics and white-identity politics. White identity exists and it's not inherently bad. Identity itself isn't bad. But how significant is racial identity in the political realm? It's significant, no doubt. But more so than everything else? I have to admit, it would be pretty cool to hear a candidate talk about how blue-collar white Americans are being left to dry by neoliberal globalism. Or to hear one talk about the historical accomplishments of white people. Should that exclude talking about America's Christian roots? Or condemning abortion, which disproportionately harms black Americans? Or criticizing LGBT radicalism? I don't think it should. So what should be prioritized? I'm not saying shun white interests in favour of corporate tax cuts --- corporations are part of the problem, so take away their (mostly non-white) foreign labour. Address demographics. Address anti-white critical race theory and other aspects of the anti-white agenda. But don't necessarily prioritize these things. Of course they're important. But you also have millions of unborn babies murdered in the womb each year. You have homosexuality/bisexuality/pansexuality and transgenderism/non-binarism/gender-fluidity/agenderism. You have Drag Queen Story Hour. Child drag queens. Drag queens on children's television. "Conservative" drag queens. You have Internet pornography. Gun control. Drugs. War. Not everything is a racial issue. A lot have a racial aspect, but that's not what governs them. The prospect of a national divorce, or secession? That would be along political or sociocultural lines, not solid racial lines. So yes, appeal to whites. But why not also appeal to sensible non-whites (even if they're a tiny minority)? Instead of "I'm looking out for white people," which can be a good thing, "I'm looking out for families." "I'm looking out for the working class." "I'm looking out for anyone who hates degeneracy." Couldn't that work? Not pandering, or endless harping about "black unemployment," but looking for something above race to unite us. ---[[User:BernieandTrumpFan|BernieandTrumpFan]] ([[User talk:BernieandTrumpFan|talk]]) 18:27, November 20, 2021 (EST)