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::::Very few countries have governments more evil than our own. Iran and Russia's governments definitely are less evil than ours, although I'm not sure about China's government, or Turkey's. As for the Sunni Islamist regimes in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, those governments definitely are more evil than our own.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:01, January 1, 2022 (EST)
::::Very few countries have governments more evil than our own. Iran and Russia's governments definitely are less evil than ours, although I'm not sure about China's government, or Turkey's. As for the Sunni Islamist regimes in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, those governments definitely are more evil than our own.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:01, January 1, 2022 (EST)
:::::I'm starting to understand what you're getting at with Sunni Islam. You hold it responsible for 9/11, which makes it more evil than the American regime. I'll let you know that Nick doesn't accept the mainstream narrative of 9/11, but putting that aside, the American regime is responsible for far more than 3,000 deaths through the abortion industry alone. Not to mention the military-industrial complex (al-Qaeda's not responsible for that one no matter how you spin it). The only reason I can fathom for your assertion that the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are more evil than the U.S. government is because they are supposedly responsible for 9/11. Isn't it funny, though, that Saudi Arabia is technically an ally of the United States? Speaking of allies of the United States, Nick perceives Israel to be a far greater threat to America than any country we've mentioned so far. He would definitely consider Zionism to be more of a threat than Sunni Islam. I don't necessarily agree with him, but I think it bears mentioning. ---[[User:BernieandTrumpFan|BernieandTrumpFan]] ([[User talk:BernieandTrumpFan|talk]]) 18:08, January 4, 2022 (EST)
:::::I'm starting to understand what you're getting at with Sunni Islam. You hold it responsible for 9/11, which makes it more evil than the American regime. I'll let you know that Nick doesn't accept the mainstream narrative of 9/11, but putting that aside, the American regime is responsible for far more than 3,000 deaths through the abortion industry alone. Not to mention the military-industrial complex (al-Qaeda's not responsible for that one no matter how you spin it). The only reason I can fathom for your assertion that the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are more evil than the U.S. government is because they are supposedly responsible for 9/11. Isn't it funny, though, that Saudi Arabia is technically an ally of the United States? Speaking of allies of the United States, Nick perceives Israel to be a far greater threat to America than any country we've mentioned so far. He would definitely consider Zionism to be more of a threat than Sunni Islam. I don't necessarily agree with him, but I think it bears mentioning. ---[[User:BernieandTrumpFan|BernieandTrumpFan]] ([[User talk:BernieandTrumpFan|talk]]) 18:08, January 4, 2022 (EST)
::::::It's obvious to me that Fuentes views foreign relations from a purely ideological standpoint. And that he either has little to no understanding of geopolitics, or refuses to acknowledge geopolitical realities because they don't conform to his ideology. The truth is, we've always prioritized the interests of Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies above Israel's. This was especially apparent prior to the Gulf War. Many people, both then and now, have marked the Gulf War as the point when our foreign policy became "Israel first." But that's not true. We didn't get involved in that war to defend Israel. We got involved in that war to defend Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies. The reason it may have ''looked like'' we were getting involved in that war to defend Israel was because that war was the point where Israel and Saudi Arabia's interests began to converge. And those interests appear to be more converged now than ever before. That being said, it has always been Saudi Arabia that has held our strings. After all, they have leverage over our economy through the petrodollar. What does Israel have? Of course the Groypers have an answer to ''that'' one: "Dual citizens." Like, give me a break.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 23:18, January 4, 2022 (EST)
::::::On another note, what do you mean by Fuentes rejecting the mainstream narrative of 9/11? There are many alternative theories, including my own. I personally believe Saudi Arabia and Pakistan orchestrated the attacks, and that our government intentionally allowed them to happen. But I also believe that the attacks were directly carried out by al-Qaeda terrorists, that planes did hit the buildings, and that there were no controlled demolitions. So...--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 23:18, January 4, 2022 (EST)