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The following are some common pro-"choice" ([https://answersingenesis.org/sanctity-of-life/abortion/is-it-really-a-matter-of-life-and-death/ aka. pro-abortion and -murder] <ref>Objectively, logically, and rationally speaking, abortion is murder in the same way that murdering someone who has already been born is murder. An unborn human being is a human being and much more than an animal.</ref>) arguments on [[abortion]], and problems with the reasoning.
 
The following are some common pro-"choice" ([https://answersingenesis.org/sanctity-of-life/abortion/is-it-really-a-matter-of-life-and-death/ aka. pro-abortion and -murder] <ref>Objectively, logically, and rationally speaking, abortion is murder in the same way that murdering someone who has already been born is murder. An unborn human being is a human being and much more than an animal.</ref>) arguments on [[abortion]], and problems with the reasoning.
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==Right to Choose==
 
==Right to Choose==
 
The obvious question not being confronted is what choice is at stake? The choice to kill another human being to bypass the consequences and responsibilities that should accompany the choice to create another life; in essence the choice to murder one's own children so sex can be engaged in freely without responsibility or consequence.<ref>Hoffman, M.C. (2012, May 28). [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortion-is-murder-for-the-purpose-of-population-control-says-turkish-prime Abortion is ‘murder’ for the purpose of population control, says Turkish prime minister]. ''Life Site News''.</ref> Sometimes women die from abortion.<ref>See "Documented Incidents of 365 Women Who Have Been Killed by "Safe" and Legal Abortion." [http://abortionviolence.com/DEATHS.HTM 365 women who have been killed by 'Legal' abortion]</ref> Since abortion is deliberate and thought about in advance, it is comparable to a premeditated killing.<ref>First-degree murder is defined as "a killing which is deliberate and premeditated."<br> [http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/first+degree+murder First Degree Murder]. ''The Free Dictionary''.</ref>
 
The obvious question not being confronted is what choice is at stake? The choice to kill another human being to bypass the consequences and responsibilities that should accompany the choice to create another life; in essence the choice to murder one's own children so sex can be engaged in freely without responsibility or consequence.<ref>Hoffman, M.C. (2012, May 28). [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortion-is-murder-for-the-purpose-of-population-control-says-turkish-prime Abortion is ‘murder’ for the purpose of population control, says Turkish prime minister]. ''Life Site News''.</ref> Sometimes women die from abortion.<ref>See "Documented Incidents of 365 Women Who Have Been Killed by "Safe" and Legal Abortion." [http://abortionviolence.com/DEATHS.HTM 365 women who have been killed by 'Legal' abortion]</ref> Since abortion is deliberate and thought about in advance, it is comparable to a premeditated killing.<ref>First-degree murder is defined as "a killing which is deliberate and premeditated."<br> [http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/first+degree+murder First Degree Murder]. ''The Free Dictionary''.</ref>
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To get abortion legalized, the Pro-Choice movement had to argue that women should have a "right to privacy".<ref>Levin, M.R. (2005, March 14). [http://old.nationalreview.com/levin/levin200503140754.asp Death by Privacy]. ''The National Review''.</ref> However, logically, if the fetus is a human being and thus murder would be committed, privacy is no excuse for such murder. Logically, killing someone in the privacy of one's own home should no more be an excuse for murder than killing them in the privacy of one's body. Furthermore, as Judge Henry J. Friendly pointed out in the nation's first major abortion case, [[Hall v. Lefkowitz]], abortion is actually a complete violation of privacy when you look at it, requiring intervention in a woman's most private areas by a physician and variety of medical personnel.
 
To get abortion legalized, the Pro-Choice movement had to argue that women should have a "right to privacy".<ref>Levin, M.R. (2005, March 14). [http://old.nationalreview.com/levin/levin200503140754.asp Death by Privacy]. ''The National Review''.</ref> However, logically, if the fetus is a human being and thus murder would be committed, privacy is no excuse for such murder. Logically, killing someone in the privacy of one's own home should no more be an excuse for murder than killing them in the privacy of one's body. Furthermore, as Judge Henry J. Friendly pointed out in the nation's first major abortion case, [[Hall v. Lefkowitz]], abortion is actually a complete violation of privacy when you look at it, requiring intervention in a woman's most private areas by a physician and variety of medical personnel.
 
{{cquote|A holding that the privacy of sexual intercourse is protected against governmental intrusion scarcely carries as a corollary that when this has resulted in conception, government may not forbid destruction of the fetus. The type of abortion the plaintiffs particularly wish to protect against governmental sanction is the antithesis of privacy. The woman consents to intervention in the uterus by a physician, with the usual retinue of assistants, nurses, and other paramedical personnel, indeed the condition calling for such intervention may very likely have been established by clinical tests... Yet, even if we were to take plaintiffs’ legal position that the legislature cannot constitutionally interfere with a woman’s right to do as she will with her own body so long as no harm is done to others, the argument does not support the conclusion plaintiffs would have us draw from it. For we cannot say the New York legislature lacked a rational basis for considering that abortion causes such harm. Even if we should put aside the interests of the father, negligible indeed in the many cases when he has abandoned the prospective mother but not in all, the legislature could permissibly consider the fetus itself to deserve protection.<ref name=friendly>Randolph, A. Raymond. [http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol29_No3_Randolph.pdf Before Roe v. Wade: Judge Friendly's Draft Abortion Opinion]. ''Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy''. Vol. 29.</ref>}}
 
{{cquote|A holding that the privacy of sexual intercourse is protected against governmental intrusion scarcely carries as a corollary that when this has resulted in conception, government may not forbid destruction of the fetus. The type of abortion the plaintiffs particularly wish to protect against governmental sanction is the antithesis of privacy. The woman consents to intervention in the uterus by a physician, with the usual retinue of assistants, nurses, and other paramedical personnel, indeed the condition calling for such intervention may very likely have been established by clinical tests... Yet, even if we were to take plaintiffs’ legal position that the legislature cannot constitutionally interfere with a woman’s right to do as she will with her own body so long as no harm is done to others, the argument does not support the conclusion plaintiffs would have us draw from it. For we cannot say the New York legislature lacked a rational basis for considering that abortion causes such harm. Even if we should put aside the interests of the father, negligible indeed in the many cases when he has abandoned the prospective mother but not in all, the legislature could permissibly consider the fetus itself to deserve protection.<ref name=friendly>Randolph, A. Raymond. [http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol29_No3_Randolph.pdf Before Roe v. Wade: Judge Friendly's Draft Abortion Opinion]. ''Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy''. Vol. 29.</ref>}}
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==Women Choose, Not Men==
 
==Women Choose, Not Men==
 
The Pro-Choice movement likes to say men and fathers should have no say in the abortion debate, only women. However, as Thomas J. Lucente Jr. points out, this is similar to saying one can't criticize the President unless one is the President. {{cquote|"The pro-abortion crowd will argue that because I am a man, I should not be allowed to have an opinion on abortion, unless, of course, I support the mass murder of 50 million babies in the last 39 years. That's akin to saying I can't criticize the president unless I have been the president."
 
The Pro-Choice movement likes to say men and fathers should have no say in the abortion debate, only women. However, as Thomas J. Lucente Jr. points out, this is similar to saying one can't criticize the President unless one is the President. {{cquote|"The pro-abortion crowd will argue that because I am a man, I should not be allowed to have an opinion on abortion, unless, of course, I support the mass murder of 50 million babies in the last 39 years. That's akin to saying I can't criticize the president unless I have been the president."
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==Life of the woman==
 
==Life of the woman==
 
Another argument by pro-abortion activists for legalized murder is that some pregnancies carry the risk of the woman dying with the baby. Thus, aborting the child may save the life of the woman. If the abortion isn't performed, both the woman and the baby would die.
 
Another argument by pro-abortion activists for legalized murder is that some pregnancies carry the risk of the woman dying with the baby. Thus, aborting the child may save the life of the woman. If the abortion isn't performed, both the woman and the baby would die.
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=="Conservatives don't care about babies once they're born"==
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Still another argument that liberals use to justify abortion is to use the groundless argument that pro-life conservatives "only care about babies until they are born, then not at all afterward", claiming that the pro-life side "does not care" about children in foster care, or about immigrant children, or about minority children, or about children in general, while the abortion supporters claim "moral high ground" in [[liberal projection|accusing the pro-life side, without proof, of "having no sense of compassion"]];<ref name="Pro-life">[https://humandefense.com/yes-pro-life-advocates-do-care-about-children-after-birth/ Yes, Pro-life Advocates Do Care About Children After Birth]</ref> this is a specious, illogical and irrational argument made based entirely on emotion and personal feelings by the abortion supporter, who does not care how well-reasoned a pro-life supporter's arguments are for opposing abortion, the abortion supporter just wants to make the pro-life side look bad and will resort to any means in an argument or debate, no matter how wrong, dishonest or illogical/irrational those means are (including the use of false claims and [[red herring]]s by the abortion supporter), to do so and they care absolutely nothing about how much the pro-life side actually does for children and their mothers (including staffing pregnancy resource centers, placing babies given up for [[adoption]] with families willing to care for them, health care for low-income parents, parenting classes, drives for diapers and baby clothes, relationship counseling, providing shelter for women in need, [[Charlie Gard|obtaining health care for seriously ill children]],<ref>[https://www.christianpost.com/voices/5-lies-pro-life-agenda.html 5 lies about the pro-life agenda]</ref> etc.), both before and after birth. 
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In an ironic twist, abortion supporters who make such accusations toward the pro-life side make no attempt themselves to offer any solutions beyond sticking to their support for abortion; in fact, pro-abortion liberals like to talk big about how much they "support" the downtrodden, [[Liberals and uncharitableness|but they make no effort to volunteer their time or give money to help the poor when needed]].<ref name="Pro-life"/>  Conservative satire site the [[Babylon Bee]] discredited the arguments used by abortion supporters to justify abortion while smearing the pro-life side as the site exposed the pro-abortion side's hypocrisy in accusing the pro-life side of "not caring about children" while pro-abortion terrorists commit acts of arson and vandalism against pregnancy resource centers<ref>[https://babylonbee.com/news/pro-lifers-dont-care-about-babies-after-theyre-born-says-person-who-just-burned-down-free-pregnancy-resource-center/ 'Pro-lifers Don't Care About Babies After They're Born', Says Person Who Just Destroyed Free Pregnancy Resource Center] at the Babylon Bee</ref> in response to the leaking of the decision overturning ''[[Roe v. Wade]]''.
    
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