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Talk:Atheism and morality (view source)
Revision as of 14:13, October 27, 2022
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:::JamesCA, if you are a Christian, then why are you ignoring how the Bible describes atheists? Please tell us what the Bible says about atheists and what Bible says about the character of fools. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:52, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:::JamesCA, if you are a Christian, then why are you ignoring how the Bible describes atheists? Please tell us what the Bible says about atheists and what Bible says about the character of fools. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:52, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Conservative, I am a Christian, and I see no reason for you to doubt that. Romans 2:10-16 "(10) But all who do right will be rewarded with glory, honour and peace, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. (11) God doesn't have any favourites! (12) Those people who don't know about God's Law will still be punished for what they do wrong. And the Law will be used to judge everyone who knows what it says. (13) God accepts those who obey his Law, but not those who simply hear it. (14) Some people naturally obey the Law's commands, even though they haven't got the Law. (15) This proves that the conscience is like a law written in the human heart. And it will show whether we are forgiven or condemned, (16) when God appoints Jesus Christ to judge everyone's secret thoughts, just as my message says." The rest of Romans 2 is also worth reading. In summary, it says that following God's laws is more important than believing he exists, and that non-believers who follow his laws are better off than believers who don't follow his laws. Therefore, non-believers are able to follow God's laws, and hence are able to be moral. - [[User:JamesCA|JamesCA]] 09:24, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Conservative, I am a Christian, and I see no reason for you to doubt that. Romans 2:10-16 "(10) But all who do right will be rewarded with glory, honour and peace, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. (11) God doesn't have any favourites! (12) Those people who don't know about God's Law will still be punished for what they do wrong. And the Law will be used to judge everyone who knows what it says. (13) God accepts those who obey his Law, but not those who simply hear it. (14) Some people naturally obey the Law's commands, even though they haven't got the Law. (15) This proves that the conscience is like a law written in the human heart. And it will show whether we are forgiven or condemned, (16) when God appoints Jesus Christ to judge everyone's secret thoughts, just as my message says." The rest of Romans 2 is also worth reading. In summary, it says that following God's laws is more important than believing he exists, and that non-believers who follow his laws are better off than believers who don't follow his laws. Therefore, non-believers are able to follow God's laws, and hence are able to be moral. - [[User:JamesCA|JamesCA]] 09:24, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:@TomRobinson The concept of morality by definition implies the existense of God and this has never changed because it is the simple truth, with your comment you did exactly the same mistake that everyone else like you did and this is why it has never been able to account morality on atheism, because it is logically impossible, the problem is that you are confusing ontology with epistemology, on ontological concepts it does not matter what you personally believe in and it also does not matter what particular religion you mention (you seem to hate christianity in particularwhich is the typical neckbeard atheist behavior). The issue is that without the existense of God, everything becomes relative and meaningless since there is no objective standard beyond subjective human opinions to ground anything at all, including other immaterial concepts such as truth or logic, so in return there is no such thing as right or wrong, good or evil since there is no standard to derive anything from. Of course there is not a single person in the world that can live for a day without a theistic framework because we all take morality for granted. [[User:Kirikagure|Kirikagure]] 09:24, 27 October 2022 (EDT)
== Rename to Atheism and immorality ==
== Rename to Atheism and immorality ==