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:Wrong. Flawed. A gay lover who beats up another gay lover because of some interpersonal dispute over their gay lifestyle, is reported as a hate crime against homosexuals, and is not accounted for in FBI statistics, mandated by law. And your premise underlies precisely ''why'' we cannot accept any further explanation regarding the FBI's flawed methodolgy, because it used to perpetrated a flawed popular misconception, that heterosexuals are solely responsible for anti-gay violence, which we have now '''clearly''' demonstrated, FBI statistics do not measure or account for. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 11:58, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
:Wrong. Flawed. A gay lover who beats up another gay lover because of some interpersonal dispute over their gay lifestyle, is reported as a hate crime against homosexuals, and is not accounted for in FBI statistics, mandated by law. And your premise underlies precisely ''why'' we cannot accept any further explanation regarding the FBI's flawed methodolgy, because it used to perpetrated a flawed popular misconception, that heterosexuals are solely responsible for anti-gay violence, which we have now '''clearly''' demonstrated, FBI statistics do not measure or account for. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 11:58, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
::''A gay lover who beats up another gay lover because of some interpersonal dispute over their gay lifestyle, is reported as a hate crime against homosexuals.'' If this is true, then of course I would agree that the statistics are seriously flawed. From reading the report's methodology, it does not seem that the FBI '''intends''' for this kind of crime to be reported as a hate crime. The report explains <i>"The FBI collects data regarding criminal offenses that are motivated, in whole or in part, by the offender’s bias against a race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity/national origin, or disability and are committed against persons, property, or society. Because motivation is subjective, it is difficult to know with certainty whether a crime resulted from the offender’s bias. Moreover, the presence of bias alone does not necessarily mean that a crime can be considered a hate crime. If law enforcement investigation reveals sufficient evidence to lead a reasonable and prudent person to conclude that the offender’s actions were motivated, in whole or in part, by his or her bias, then the incident should be reported as a hate crime."</i><ref>Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Reporting Program, Hate Crime Statistics 2005, Methodology. </i>[http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/methodology.htm]</ref> How do you think this happens? Is the problem with police departments wrongly reporting normal crimes as hate crimes? Can you provide some kind of reference that speaks to this? Do you also believe that this is true for disabled people, blacks, etc. and that the hate crimes statistics for them are flawed?--[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 12:20, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
::''A gay lover who beats up another gay lover because of some interpersonal dispute over their gay lifestyle, is reported as a hate crime against homosexuals.'' If this is true, then of course I would agree that the statistics are seriously flawed. From reading the report's methodology, it does not seem that the FBI '''intends''' for this kind of crime to be reported as a hate crime. The report explains <i>"The FBI collects data regarding criminal offenses that are motivated, in whole or in part, by the offender’s bias against a race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity/national origin, or disability and are committed against persons, property, or society. Because motivation is subjective, it is difficult to know with certainty whether a crime resulted from the offender’s bias. Moreover, the presence of bias alone does not necessarily mean that a crime can be considered a hate crime. If law enforcement investigation reveals sufficient evidence to lead a reasonable and prudent person to conclude that the offender’s actions were motivated, in whole or in part, by his or her bias, then the incident should be reported as a hate crime."</i><ref>Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Reporting Program, Hate Crime Statistics 2005, Methodology. </i>[http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/methodology.htm]</ref> How do you think this happens? Is the problem with police departments wrongly reporting normal crimes as hate crimes? Can you provide some kind of reference that speaks to this? Do you also believe that this is true for disabled people, blacks, etc. and that the hate crimes statistics for them are flawed?--[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 12:20, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
<--The determination is based upon the discretion of the local investigating officer. He is not mandated to discern the sexual orientation of the offener, only the offenders race. Therein lies the statistical flaw.
And secondly, in what state, or in what federal law, are law enforcement agencies mandated to keep statistics of domestic abuse in homosexual relationships? If we are to contemplate things such as so-called "gay marriage", then may be appropriate to investigate the level of domestic abuse in homosexual relationships. And I believe, it may be credibily proven, homosexual relationships suffer from a distinctly higher proportion of violence than heterosexual relationships -- and law may as of now, not take any consideration of this in compiling statisitcs for us to make a judgemental value.
Thirdly, ''"it does not seem that the FBI '''intends''' for this kind of crime to be reported"''. I makes no difference what the FBI's "intent" is, the FBI is mandated by law to keep track of protected groups in hate crime reporting. Therein lies the problem, the mandates a statistical and biased error in reporting, most likely with the ''intent'' to lead the public to a faulty conclusion, i.e. that anti-homosexual violence is solely the responsibility of heterosexuals. Given what I've stated above, if heterosexuals are to be responsibile for insure against anti-homosexual violence, and if a disproportionate degree of reported "hate crimes" are perpetrated by homosexual offenders upon homosexuals, then the heterosexual community deserves accurate reporting on such '''''before''''' heterosexuals are asked to pass judgement upon recognizing the legal validity of domestic, homosexual partnerships. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:34, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
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