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Talk:John 15-21 (Translated) (view source)
Revision as of 22:57, December 25, 2022
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:::Continued use of archaic language in [[Bible translations]] tends to cause losses in popularity. "Tribulation" seems to be used today only in connection with quoting an old Bible translation. It's a good word, but let's not ignore cultural winds that constantly sweep across our society. Persecution, in contrast, is used in political discourse daily.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:42, December 25, 2022 (EST)
:::Continued use of archaic language in [[Bible translations]] tends to cause losses in popularity. "Tribulation" seems to be used today only in connection with quoting an old Bible translation. It's a good word, but let's not ignore cultural winds that constantly sweep across our society. Persecution, in contrast, is used in political discourse daily.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:42, December 25, 2022 (EST)
::::The English word "trouble" is likely a contracted vernacular form of the Latin root "tribulation". Trouble can stem from one's own mischief coping with the world, and not necessarily blamed on others. And that's what Jesus says here. He doesn't say "In the world you will be victims". He says "In the world you will have trouble coping," which can either be from victimhood or one's own mistakes or lack of faith. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:56, December 25, 2022 (EST)
::::The English word "trouble" is likely a contracted vernacular form of the Latin root "tribulation". Trouble can stem from one's own mischief coping with the world, and not necessarily blamed on others. And that's what Jesus says here. He doesn't say "In the world you will be victims". He says "In the world you will have trouble coping," which can either be from victimhood or one's own mistakes or lack of faith. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:56, December 25, 2022 (EST)
::::[EC] Hmm, to reply to Andy, I see what you mean. Ultimately, I'd say that the pursuit of truth should not halt at possible loss of popularity. In Jesus's day, his messages appealed to truth, not popularity; some Jews, being too worldly, sought freedom from Roman authorities, and rejected Jesus's emphasis on obeying Caesar, and on storing treasure in Heaven. And pursuit of popular appeal led to the church's later downfall; in the time of Constantine, the church tried to convert pagans and also employed vicious antisemitism to, whether out of sheer malice or expediently, distance themselves from Jews (who were becoming unpopular), though ultimately found the pagans converting ''them''.
::::Ultimately, I'd contend that so long as the CBP maintains a consistent message of preserving Scriptural wisdom and exemplifies it concisely, we shouldn't worry about archaic words potentially being off-putting for some. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 17:57, December 25, 2022 (EST)