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::::A veto only delays the process. A budget ultimately must pass (for instance, budgets are exempt from the [[filibuster]]). The notion of a presidential veto is already built into the negotiating process, meaning opposition Congressional leaders make it clear that you won't like an alternative proposal if the process is delayed by a veto.  
 
::::A veto only delays the process. A budget ultimately must pass (for instance, budgets are exempt from the [[filibuster]]). The notion of a presidential veto is already built into the negotiating process, meaning opposition Congressional leaders make it clear that you won't like an alternative proposal if the process is delayed by a veto.  
 
::::If you want to blame anybody, blame the American people and their elected representatives (better yet, you could blame the weakness of the conservative movement in getting its message across to Congress and the American people. Or you can blame the stupidity and ignorance of the American people. Or you can blame the stupidity and ignorance of American conservatives in formulating arguments).[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 18:48, December 31, 2022 (EST)
 
::::If you want to blame anybody, blame the American people and their elected representatives (better yet, you could blame the weakness of the conservative movement in getting its message across to Congress and the American people. Or you can blame the stupidity and ignorance of the American people. Or you can blame the stupidity and ignorance of American conservatives in formulating arguments).[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 18:48, December 31, 2022 (EST)
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::::Let's go back to this popular MSM phrase, ''twist Congressional arms''.  What exactly does that mean? Withold pork? Add pork? Either way, I don't see much conservative principles in the argument. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 18:56, December 31, 2022 (EST)
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