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The date would have been around Sept. 15 or 16 of 5 b.c., going by the signs in the heavens and the lunar cycle, and adjusting it to a Roman calendar date. The important thing to remember is that Yahshua was FULFILLING TORAH, thus, 'the day of his DEATH is better than the day of his birth', meaning we should continue in observing PASSOVER. 'Do this in remembrance of me...' --[[User:Witnessnbr1|Witnessnbr1]] 14:20, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
The date would have been around Sept. 15 or 16 of 5 b.c., going by the signs in the heavens and the lunar cycle, and adjusting it to a Roman calendar date. The important thing to remember is that Yahshua was FULFILLING TORAH, thus, 'the day of his DEATH is better than the day of his birth', meaning we should continue in observing PASSOVER. 'Do this in remembrance of me...' --[[User:Witnessnbr1|Witnessnbr1]] 14:20, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
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Speaking without bias and accademically: The problem is that dates are manipulated to suit religious agendas. I wrote a great article on it: '''[[Essay: Date of Jesus Crucifixion]]'''. The problem is these two issues are intimately entwined.
In short, if you can figure out when John was conceived you can figure out when Jesus was conceived, figure that out and you can make a window of when he was born. John was conceived a little after the [[Days of Awe]] ending in the [[Day of Atonement]]. Six months later around the spring Passover Jesus is conceived. Nine months later places you winter. And then you have to do it before Herod the Great (not Antipas) dies in March-April 4BC. Next you have to apply the timestamp of each king in Luke 3:1-2. THEN YOU HAVE THE REAL CLINCHER: the 15th year of Tiberius Caesar and apply [[Syrian Regional Regnal Reckoning]] which Luke and Josephus use. Apply how Jesus at baptism was about to turn 30 (supported by the Greek), convert Julian dates to Gregorian. Use astrometric data to create most probably visibal luna data from Jerusalem, then make sure this is in Gregorian time. After all this you end up with the '''20th of September 27AD''' (Tishri 1) and he must be baptised over the next 8 days [[Days of Awe]] (not counting Day of Atonement as it is too late to be baptised).
Similarly if you now count backwards you land at '''the winter (early January/December) of 5/4 BC.'''
After literal days of calculations and textual clues, historical dates my ultimate conclusion is: '''Winter 5/4''' BC, December through January, I am tending to very early January.--[[User:AnthonyPvanDuyn|AnthonyPvanDuyn]] ([[User talk:AnthonyPvanDuyn|talk]]) 04:45, May 24, 2026 (EDT)
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