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[[St. Augustine]] declared: "O Lord God, we firmly believe that You are a Trinity. For Truth (Jesus) would never have said, Be Baptized in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, unless You were a Trinity. Nor would He have commanded us to be baptized into One Who was not Lord God." Augustine mentions the Trinity 24 times in his ''[[City of God]]''.<ref>E.g., Augustine wrote: "And this Trinity is one God; and none the less simple because a Trinity. For we do not say that the nature of the good is simple, because the Father alone possesses it, or the Son alone, or the Holy Ghost alone; nor do we say, with the Sabellian heretics, that it is only nominally a Trinity, and has no real distinction of persons; but we say it is simple, because it is what it has, with the exception of the relation of the persons to one another."</ref>
[[St. Augustine]] declared: "O Lord God, we firmly believe that You are a Trinity. For Truth (Jesus) would never have said, Be Baptized in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, unless You were a Trinity. Nor would He have commanded us to be baptized into One Who was not Lord God." Augustine mentions the Trinity 24 times in his ''[[City of God]]''.<ref>E.g., Augustine wrote: "And this Trinity is one God; and none the less simple because a Trinity. For we do not say that the nature of the good is simple, because the Father alone possesses it, or the Son alone, or the Holy Ghost alone; nor do we say, with the Sabellian heretics, that it is only nominally a Trinity, and has no real distinction of persons; but we say it is simple, because it is what it has, with the exception of the relation of the persons to one another."</ref>
The [[Book of Genesis]] also contains a wonderful Theophany of the Three Divine Persons appearing to men in visible forms, that of the Three Persons in Genesis 18. It is said the Lord God appeared to Abraham, then that he perceived The Three Persons of the Holy Trinity as Three Men. Finally, that he adored Them And yet spoke to Three Persons as to One Lord God, and thus the Holy Bible here clearly demonstrates that the Holy Trinity is One Lord God.
The [[Book of Genesis]] also contains a wonderful Theophany of the Three Divine Persons appearing to men in visible forms, that of the Three Persons in Genesis 18. It is said the Lord God appeared to Abraham, then that he perceived The Three Persons of the Holy Trinity as Three Men. Finally, that he adored Them. And yet spoke to Three Persons as to One Lord God, and thus the Holy Bible here clearly demonstrates that the Holy Trinity is One Lord God.
[[Genesis, Chapter 18|Genesis 18:1]] states, "And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,3 And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:"
[[Genesis, Chapter 18|Genesis 18:1]] states, "And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,3 And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:"
In the Eastern Liturgies, it is commonly taken for granted that this was a Theophany (a visible manifestation of the invisible God). For, e.g., "God in Three Persons appeared to Abraham at the oak of Mambre, and through mercy he was given as reward for his hospitality Isaac. That God we now glorify him as God of our Fathers."<ref>Octoechos, Sunday, Tone 3, Midnight Office, Ode 7.</ref><ref>https://www.academia.edu/13190369/The_Early_Christian_Reception_of_Genesis_18_From_Theophany_to_Trinitarian_Symbolism</ref>
In the Eastern Liturgies, it is commonly taken for granted that this was a Theophany (a visible manifestation of the invisible God). For, e.g., "God in Three Persons appeared to Abraham at the oak of Mambre, and through mercy he was given as reward for his hospitality Isaac. That God we now glorify him as God of our Fathers." ZZ<ref>Octoechos, Sunday, Tone 3, Midnight Office, Ode 7.</ref> ZZ<ref>https://www.academia.edu/13190369/The_Early_Christian_Reception_of_Genesis_18_From_Theophany_to_Trinitarian_Symbolism</ref>
St. Augustine comments: "But since three men appeared, and no one of them is said to be greater than the rest either in form, or age, or power, why should we not here understand, as visibly intimated by the visible creature, the equality of the Trinity, and one and the same substance in three persons?"<ref>http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/130102.htm</ref>
St. Augustine comments: "But since three men appeared, and no one of them is said to be greater than the rest either in form, or age, or power, why should we not here understand, as visibly intimated by the visible creature, the equality of the Trinity, and one and the same substance in three persons?" ZZ<ref>http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/130102.htm</ref>
==Illustrations and analogies==
==Illustrations and analogies==
The [[Arian]]s of the 4th century denied the Trinity. They were condemned as heretics and they died out, but Arian ideas reappeared in Europe after 1500. [[Isaac Newton]] was secretly an Arian.
The [[Arian]]s of the 4th century denied the Trinity. They were condemned as heretics and they died out, but Arian ideas reappeared in Europe after 1500. [[Isaac Newton]] was secretly an Arian.
By the mid-18th century [[Unitarianism]] had emerged in England, and by 1800 it spread to the U.S.. By 1820 it dominated schools like [[Harvard University]].
By the mid-18th century [[Unitarianism]] had emerged in England, and by 1800 it spread to the U.S. By 1820 it dominated schools like [[Harvard University]].
In the 20th century [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] do not believe in the Trinity, and see it as contradicting the commandment to have no god but the one God.<ref>Watchtower, July 2008</ref> Jehovah Witnesses disparage the Trinity by depicting it as a three-headed creature and claim the doctrine as a corrupt addition by [[Satan]] to Christianity. See [[Great Apostasy]].
In the 20th century [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] did not believe in the Trinity, and saw it as contradicting the commandment to have no god but the one God.<ref>Watchtower, July 2008</ref> Jehovah's Witnesses disparage the Trinity by depicting it as a three-headed creature and claim the doctrine as a corrupt addition by [[Satan]] to Christianity. See [[Great Apostasy]].
The doctrine of [[The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints]] teaches that God the Father and Jesus as God the Son are two separate physical beings of flesh and bone, and that the Holy Spirit is not a physical Person but a Spirit Personage with influence of guidance and holiness.<ref>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints General Conference, April 1974. The Holy Ghost,
The doctrine of [[The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints]] teaches that God the Father and Jesus as God the Son are two separate physical beings of flesh and bone, and that the Holy Spirit is not a physical Person but a Spirit Personage with influence of guidance and holiness.<ref>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints General Conference, April 1974. The Holy Ghost,
See the following '''Christian Monarchian''' articles against Trinitarianism:
See the following '''Christian Monarchian''' articles against Trinitarianism:
*[http://www.jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/trinity.html '''The Trinity Doctrine Is Pagan: The Trinitarian Heresy of the Council of Nicaea'''", By Pastor G. Reckart, Pastor (jesus-messiah.com)]
*[http://www.jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/trinity.html '''The Trinity Doctrine Is Pagan: The Trinitarian Heresy of the Council of Nicaea''', By Pastor G. Reckart, Pastor (jesus-messiah.com)]
*[http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/creeds.html '''The Trinity Doctrine Is Pagan: The Creeds''', by G. Reckart, Pastor (jesus-messiah.com)]
*[http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/creeds.html '''The Trinity Doctrine Is Pagan: The Creeds''', by G. Reckart, Pastor (jesus-messiah.com)]
:—"''The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God in three manifestations. There is one God and one Spirit and this God and this Spirit as to time and eternity is Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in regeneration.''" ...
:—"''The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God in three manifestations. There is one God and one Spirit and this God and this Spirit as to time and eternity is Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in regeneration.''" ...
*[https://carm.org/monarchianism '''Monarchianism''', Matt Slick - CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (carm.org)]
*[https://carm.org/monarchianism '''Monarchianism''', Matt Slick - CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (carm.org)]
*[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10448a.htm '''Monarchians''' - Catholic Encyclopedia (newadvent.org)] ''Dynamists, Adoptionists, Modalists''
*[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10448a.htm '''Monarchians''' - Catholic Encyclopedia (newadvent.org)] ''Dynamists, Adoptionists, Modalists''
*[http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/p/index.php?title=Monarchianism '''Monarchianism''' - New World Encyclopedia (newworldencyclopedia.org)]
*[http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/p/index.php?title=Monarchianism '''Monarchianism''' - New World Encyclopedia (newadventencyclopedia.org)]
*[https://www.watchman.org/articles/other-religious-topics/heresies_then-and-now/ '''Heresies: Then and Now''', Jason Barker (watchman.org)] ''Offers scriptural refutations''
*[https://www.watchman.org/articles/other-religious-topics/heresies_then-and-now/ '''Heresies: Then and Now''', Jason Barker (watchman.org)] ''Offers scriptural refutations''
*[http://my.raex.com/~obsidian/eccnonch.html Ecclesiarchs - Non-Chalcedonian Churches (my.raex.com)]
*[http://my.raex.com/~obsidian/eccnonch.html Ecclesiarchs - Non-Chalcedonian Churches (my.raex.com)]
Read '''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A10-23&version=KJV John 14:10-23 (KJV)]'''; '''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A26&version=KJV 15:26]'''; and '''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+16%3A7-15&version=KJV 16:7-15 (KJV)]'''. <br> [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26&version=KJV Genesis 1:26]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+11%3A7&version=KJV 11:7]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+48%3A16-17&version=KJV Isaiah 48:16-17]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+61%3A1&version=KJV 61:1]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+3%3A16-17&version=KJV Matthew 3:16-17]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A19&version=KJV 28:19]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A35&version=KJV Luke 1:35]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3%3A21-22&version=KJV 3:21-22]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+10%3A38&version=KJV Acts 10:38]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8%3A9&version=KJV Romans 8:9], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8%3A11&version=KJV 8:11]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+15%3A30&version=KJV 15:30]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+12%3A4-6&version=KJV 1 Corinthians 12:4-6]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+1%3A21-22&version=KJV 2 Corinthians 1:21-22]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+13%3A14&version=KJV 13:14]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+4%3A6&version=KJV Galatians 4:6]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4%3A4-6&version=KJV Ephesians 4:4-6]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+3%3A4-6&version=KJV Titus 3:4-6]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9%3A14&version=KJV Hebrews 9:14]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+1%3A2&version=KJV 1 Peter 1:2]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude+1%3A20-21&version=KJV Jude 20-21]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3%3A21-22&version=KJV Revelation 3:21-22].
Read '''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A10-23&version=KJV John 14:10-23 (KJV)]'''; '''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A26&version=KJV 15:26]'''; and '''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+16%3A7-15&version=KJV 16:7-15 (KJV)]'''. <br> [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26&version=KJV Genesis 1:26]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+11%3A7&version=KJV 11:7]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+48%3A16-17&version=KJV Isaiah 48:16-17]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+61%3A1&version=KJV 61:1]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+3%3A16-17&version=KJV Matthew 3:16-17]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A19&version=KJV 28:19]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A35&version=KJV Luke 1:35]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3%3A21-22&version=KJV 3:21-22]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+10%3A38&version=KJV Acts 10:38]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8%3A9&version=KJV Romans 8:9], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8%3A11&version=KJV 8:11]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+15%3A30&version=KJV Romans 15:30]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+12%3A4-6&version=KJV 1 Corinthians 12:4-6]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+1%3A21-22&version=KJV 2 Corinthians 1:21-22]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+13%3A14&version=KJV 13:14]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+4%3A6&version=KJV Galatians 4:6]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4%3A4-6&version=KJV Ephesians 4:4-6]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+3%3A4-6&version=KJV Titus 3:4-6]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+9%3A14&version=KJV Hebrews 9:14]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+1%3A2&version=KJV 1 Peter 1:2]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude+1%3A20-21&version=KJV Jude 20-21]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3%3A21-22&version=KJV Revelation 3:21-22].
*'''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4%3A24&version=KJV John 4:24]''' and '''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+3%3A17&version=KJV 2 Corinthians 3:17]'''
*'''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4%3A24&version=KJV John 4:24]''' and '''[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+3%3A17&version=KJV 2 Corinthians 3:17]'''
* [http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/articles/abandon.html The Trinity Delusion: Why I abandoned the Trinity, by Brother Kel, servant of Jesus (angelfire.com)] ''written by a former Lutheran''
* [http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/articles/abandon.html The Trinity Delusion: Why I abandoned the Trinity, by Brother Kel, servant of Jesus (angelfire.com)] ''written by a former Lutheran''
;Trinitarian Apologetics
; Trinitarian Apologetics
* [http://capro.info/Cults_and_Isms/Unitarianism/Unitarianism.html Unitarianism: The Close-Minded & Intolerant Religion, Paul Derengowski, ThM]
* [http://capro.info/Cults_and_Isms/Unitarianism/Unitarianism.html Unitarianism: The Close-Minded & Intolerant Religion, Paul Derengowski, ThM]
* [https://carm.org/trinity CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry. Trinity Chart, by Matt Slick (carm.org)]
* [https://carm.org/trinity CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry. Trinity Chart, by Matt Slick (carm.org)]