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, 01:35, March 10, 2007→On the definition of pseudoscience
This is a poor critique of wikipedia that weakens other arguments. --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 19:02, 9 March 2007 (EST)
This is a poor critique of wikipedia that weakens other arguments. --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 19:02, 9 March 2007 (EST)
:You disappoint me, [[User:Mtur|Mtur]]. On what grounds do you declare that creation science does not follow the scientific method? For example: did you know that a number of geologists have already shown that current models of [[radiometric dating]] do not correlate well with one another in dating various objects, and indeed often produce inconsistent dates for the same object? These geologists have shown--''by the scientific method''--that those methods have their basis on improper assumptions and sometimes on [[circular reasoning]].
:They have since determined, after exhaustive reviews and their own data-gathering, that the uniformitarian assumptions behind most of the dating models are totally untenable--and that radioactive decay was in fact ''accelerated'' at a key moment in early earth history.
:Testable theories, sir. Even falsifiable theories.
:The worthies at [[Wikipedia]] have never shown a willingness to examine the hypotheses that leading creation scientists have formulated and tested. They have simply concluded that the world and mankind ''cannot'' have been created, and ''must'' have formed out of nothing, and that "we just don't understand yet how it happened." Now ''that'' is pseudoscience.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]] 20:35, 9 March 2007 (EST)
:If you think the term "pseudoscience" reflects a "sensitive tone" then I suggest telling a scientist that his work is "pseudoscience". I would also suggest that the scientific method was invented by Francis Bacon who likely believed in creationism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:20, 9 March 2007 (EST)conservative
:If you think the term "pseudoscience" reflects a "sensitive tone" then I suggest telling a scientist that his work is "pseudoscience". I would also suggest that the scientific method was invented by Francis Bacon who likely believed in creationism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:20, 9 March 2007 (EST)conservative
:: Bacon's was a creationist - one quote of his is "I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind". He also encouraged experimentation and the use of induction to discover more about the world. Unfortunately, Francis Bacon died a century before the voyage of HMS Beagle and thus had no observations to the contrary. Can you suggest an alternate name for what to call something that calls itself science without using the scientific method? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 19:36, 9 March 2007 (EST)
:: Bacon's was a creationist - one quote of his is "I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind". He also encouraged experimentation and the use of induction to discover more about the world. Unfortunately, Francis Bacon died a century before the voyage of HMS Beagle and thus had no observations to the contrary. Can you suggest an alternate name for what to call something that calls itself science without using the scientific method? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 19:36, 9 March 2007 (EST)
:::You have no warrant whatsoever to claim that Sir Francis Bacon would have recanted his statement after a meeting with Darwin post-''Beagle''. That would have been an interesting conversation, to be sure. However--you want another name? I'll cite you several. Try Michael Behe. Or Larry Vardiman and Stephen A. Austin of the RATE ('''R'''adioisotopes and the '''A'''ge of '''T'''he '''E'''arth) Group.
:::Cargo cult science? [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 19:43, 9 March 2007 (EST)
:::Cargo cult science? [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 19:43, 9 March 2007 (EST)