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→Do liberals really use the initials MSM to allege conservative bias in the media?
: According to Nielsen, Fox News has 9 of the 10 most viewed shows on Cable TV News in Dec 2006; it has the second-highest cumulative numbers, between CNN and MSNBC; and "In 2006, more than half the people watching cable news were watching Fox News (as they have since 2001)." That sounds like the very definition of mainstream to me, no? [[User:BrianRobertson|BrianRobertson]] 22:12, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
: According to Nielsen, Fox News has 9 of the 10 most viewed shows on Cable TV News in Dec 2006; it has the second-highest cumulative numbers, between CNN and MSNBC; and "In 2006, more than half the people watching cable news were watching Fox News (as they have since 2001)." That sounds like the very definition of mainstream to me, no? [[User:BrianRobertson|BrianRobertson]] 22:12, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
I could've swore that MSM-status was decided by how mainstream something was, not whether or not it claimed to be mainstream... [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 21:35, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
I could've swore that MSM-status was decided by how mainstream something was, not whether or not it claimed to be mainstream... [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 21:35, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
Conservatives feel that everyone in the television MSM ''except'' Fox News has a liberal bias. That means ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. So the liberals think one station (Fox News) is conservative. That's leaves ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN with a liberal bias. It doesn't make sense for liberals to think that the 'MSM' is quite far to the right. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 21:37, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
Conservatives feel that everyone in the television MSM ''except'' Fox News has a liberal bias. That means ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. So the liberals think one station (Fox News) is conservative. That's leaves ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN with a liberal bias. It doesn't make sense for liberals to think that the 'MSM' is quite far to the right. --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 21:37, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
That's wrong too - the more liberal or left-leaning, the more they feel that ALL channels and outlets are MSM. [[User:BrianRobertson|BrianRobertson]] 22:16, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
:That's wrong too - the more liberal or left-leaning, the more they feel that ALL channels and outlets are MSM. [[User:BrianRobertson|BrianRobertson]] 22:16, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
It's also used in any case where ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN understate something that Liberals feel to be a big issue, or taking the Administration's side just to be safe. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 21:39, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
It's also used in any case where ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN understate something that Liberals feel to be a big issue, or taking the Administration's side just to be safe. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 21:39, 1 August 2007 (EDT)