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: The less racy Jane Austen novels might be a good place to start. ''Sense and Sensibility'' is one of the more moral of them. Anything from the Elizabethan/Jacobean canon is likely to be regrettably carnal. [[User:Pachyderm|Pachyderm]] 13:56, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
 
: The less racy Jane Austen novels might be a good place to start. ''Sense and Sensibility'' is one of the more moral of them. Anything from the Elizabethan/Jacobean canon is likely to be regrettably carnal. [[User:Pachyderm|Pachyderm]] 13:56, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
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::Older teens can read [[Hamlet]]. It has suicide, murder, accusations of incest, dueling. It has two cases of poisoning (Prince Hamlet's father King Hamlet murdered; King Claudius attempts to poison the prince but kills his mother by mistake). Then there's the "lie between your legs (c'untry matters)" stuff. Shakespeare would have been rated R back then. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:58, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
 
::Older teens can read [[Hamlet]]. It has suicide, murder, accusations of incest, dueling. It has two cases of poisoning (Prince Hamlet's father King Hamlet murdered; King Claudius attempts to poison the prince but kills his mother by mistake). Then there's the "lie between your legs (c'untry matters)" stuff. Shakespeare would have been rated R back then. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:58, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
    
:::I certainly think that misbehaving teens should be made to sit through a Shakespeare comedy. That'd learn them. [[User:Pachyderm|Pachyderm]] 14:02, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
 
:::I certainly think that misbehaving teens should be made to sit through a Shakespeare comedy. That'd learn them. [[User:Pachyderm|Pachyderm]] 14:02, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
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::::Wow, I simply cannot see how you could ban all those works from schools. The biggest lessons I learned from Othello, R&J, and Lord of the Flies is the ugly sides of human nature - and all three of the works express the tragedy that will result. No way that could be seen as promoting the acts depicted in the works. The death of Piggy didn't prompt me to push someone off a cliff - it's such a reinforcement that that was <i>wrong</i>! [[User:ATang|ATang]] 14:10, 31 August 2007 (EDT)
    
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