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Before and just immediately after 9/11, there were many measures before Congress, many at the White House and Justice (some of them remainders from the Clinton Administration) that were intended to deal with improving intelligence gathering, and increase national security.  There were hundreds in Congress and the Executive who were already worried about the terrorists before 9/11, you know. In the aftermath of the World Trade Center, Pentagon and the airplane crash in PA, the big guns in Congress, Ashcroft and the people at the White House conducted lots of public and private meetings.  Some of what are considered the most draconian components of the final act were included against the wishes of Justice and the White House, and vice-versa.  That is how our government and legislative process works, like it or not.  To claim Bush or Ashcroft (or even Rove) were the principle authors of the act is utter nonsense.  Ashcroft was not alone in asking for the things he did, and had remarkable bi-partisan support in the Congress, mainly because his requests mirrored what was already in introduced or proposed legislation!  I was there, and I can tell you there were dozens of really draconian ideas that the Administration and some Congressional leaders insisted be canned, mainly because they would have been hell to implement or administer, or were thought to be ultimately held un-Constitutional. --<font color="#1E90FF" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]]</font>^{<font color="DC143C">[[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]]</font>} 19:34, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Before and just immediately after 9/11, there were many measures before Congress, many at the White House and Justice (some of them remainders from the Clinton Administration) that were intended to deal with improving intelligence gathering, and increase national security.  There were hundreds in Congress and the Executive who were already worried about the terrorists before 9/11, you know. In the aftermath of the World Trade Center, Pentagon and the airplane crash in PA, the big guns in Congress, Ashcroft and the people at the White House conducted lots of public and private meetings.  Some of what are considered the most draconian components of the final act were included against the wishes of Justice and the White House, and vice-versa.  That is how our government and legislative process works, like it or not.  To claim Bush or Ashcroft (or even Rove) were the principle authors of the act is utter nonsense.  Ashcroft was not alone in asking for the things he did, and had remarkable bi-partisan support in the Congress, mainly because his requests mirrored what was already in introduced or proposed legislation!  I was there, and I can tell you there were dozens of really draconian ideas that the Administration and some Congressional leaders insisted be canned, mainly because they would have been hell to implement or administer, or were thought to be ultimately held un-Constitutional. --<font color="#1E90FF" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]]</font>^{<font color="DC143C">[[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]]</font>} 19:34, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

:Amen to this.  I heard with my own two ears Newt Gingrich discuss these reforns in 1993, to say it was "rushed through" without much debate and consideration os balderdash.  [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 15:05, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

:Amen to this.  I heard with my own two ears Newt Gingrich discuss these reforms in 1993, to say it was "rushed through" without much debate and consideration os balderdash.  [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 15:05, 2 September 2007 (EDT)