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:::I've been a Christian for over 40 years, and I virtually ''never'' have a "WWJD thought".  It's simply not something that I consciously do, but nevertheless, my decisions are based on my worldview that is based on the Bible.  Similarly, atheists will not ''consciously'' think, "what is right for an atheist", but nevertheless, just as with a Christian, his decisions are going to be based on his atheistic worldview.  Is an atheist going to think, "I better not tell a lie, because God will be know that I've lied"?  Of course not—as an atheist he's not going to think that way.  He's not going to think that way ''because he is an atheist''.  That is, his atheism ''affects his thinking'', just as surely as the Bible will affect a Christian's thinking.  Atheism is a "core belief" upon which an Atheist bases his life.  Thus Atheism is a religion, by that definition.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:33, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

:::I've been a Christian for over 40 years, and I virtually ''never'' have a "WWJD thought".  It's simply not something that I consciously do, but nevertheless, my decisions are based on my worldview that is based on the Bible.  Similarly, atheists will not ''consciously'' think, "what is right for an atheist", but nevertheless, just as with a Christian, his decisions are going to be based on his atheistic worldview.  Is an atheist going to think, "I better not tell a lie, because God will be know that I've lied"?  Of course not—as an atheist he's not going to think that way.  He's not going to think that way ''because he is an atheist''.  That is, his atheism ''affects his thinking'', just as surely as the Bible will affect a Christian's thinking.  Atheism is a "core belief" upon which an Atheist bases his life.  Thus Atheism is a religion, by that definition.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:33, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

::::Just like there are no people who are just "theists" and nothing else, there are no "atheists" that are only atheists. Christians don't base their actions, explicitly or implicitly, on the assumption that there exist "a god", but on their belief in a "particular God", the holy trinity. Likewise, no atheists doesn't base his actions merely on the belief that there is no god.  Some base their actions on the notion of a social contract, some on humanism, others on hedonism, existentialism, nihilism, scientism, or their own home brew of philosophy. This is also a reason why it is problematic to label "atheism" as a religion, because other than their disbelief, they have very little in common. [[User:Order|Order]] 23:45, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

::::Just like there are no people who are just "theists" and nothing else, there are no "atheists" that are only atheists. Christians don't base their actions, explicitly or implicitly, on the assumption that there exist "a god", but on their belief in a "particular God", the holy trinity. Likewise, no atheists doesn't base his actions merely on the belief that there is no god.  Some base their actions on the notion of a social contract, some on humanism, others on hedonism, existentialism, nihilism, scientism, or their own home brew of philosophy. This is also a reason why it is problematic to label "atheism" as a religion, because other than their disbelief, they have very little in common. [[User:Order|Order]] 23:45, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

:so you'd argue that theism isn't a religion either but rather a tenet of several religions?  Interesting ... Would you call secular humanism a religion?  [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 00:18, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

:so you'd argue that theism isn't a religion either but rather a tenet of several religions?  Interesting ... Would you call secular humanism a religion?  [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 00:18, 11 September 2007 (EDT)