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::::And the point of all this? Atheists frequently lump all "religions" together (i.e. anything other than atheism or its variants) as somehow "different" to Atheism. Yet, as I explained above, ''both'' are core beliefs on which our actions are based. Atheism is not qualitatively "better" than religion simply because it's atheistic, yet that's the way they very frequently seem to argue. The very argument here, that theists base their actions on their particular theistic beliefs whilst atheists don't, is a case in point.
::::And the point of all this? Atheists frequently lump all "religions" together (i.e. anything other than atheism or its variants) as somehow "different" to Atheism. Yet, as I explained above, ''both'' are core beliefs on which our actions are based. Atheism is not qualitatively "better" than religion simply because it's atheistic, yet that's the way they very frequently seem to argue. The very argument here, that theists base their actions on their particular theistic beliefs whilst atheists don't, is a case in point.
::::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:46, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
::::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:46, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
:::::Just because some lump everything together, doesn't mean that we have to do it. Sure you could call atheism and agnosticism religion, under a very broad definition. And a core belief doesn't make a religion, although the word 'religious' is sometimes used to refer to groups with a core belief. The member of a Harley Davidson have to core belief that Harleys are the best motorbikes, Steeler fans believe that the Steelers are maybe not the best but the greatest team, environmentalists base their actions on the belief that the earth warms up, and weight watchers have the core belief that you should eat three servings of fruit a day. But an actual religion is more than that, and ideally matches a few of the definitions, not just one if we stretch the definition. It is a good start to distinguish between the different kind the use of the word "religion" and "religious". [[User:Order|Order]] 19:48, 11 September 2007 (EDT)