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::*So. You could have asked why I changed it. This is how wiki's work. If you see a mistake, you change it, and if necessary start a discussion. Before you revert a change, what you did, it is customary to discuss the reversion, something you didn't do.  

::*So. You could have asked why I changed it. This is how wiki's work. If you see a mistake, you change it, and if necessary start a discussion. Before you revert a change, what you did, it is customary to discuss the reversion, something you didn't do.  

:::*You are thinking of a different Wiki, namely the one we are competing against.  Here you don't replace another user's work without first going over your proposed changes and then tell him how dare you intervene when he reverts it back.  You are out of bounds. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)   

:::*You are thinking of a different Wiki, namely the one we are competing against.  Here you don't replace another user's work without first going over your proposed changes and then tell him how dare you intervene when he reverts it back.  You are out of bounds. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)   

:*The reparations were to be paid over 42 years.  Of course they were never fully paid, but that's a misnomer isn't it?  Discussions on postponing or changing payments occurred after Germany's financial collapse, and often did not include France.  You are aware of the French occupation of the Ruhr and shooting German workers who tried to walk off the job, right?  While I don't think we need to go into great detail in the Germany article, anything that whitewashes the severity of the reparations as they were put into place and implemented is counter to history.   

:*The reparations were to be paid over 42 years.  Of course they were never fully paid, but that's a misnomer isn't it?  Discussions on postponing or changing payments occurred after Germany's financial collapse, and often did not include France.  You are aware of the French occupation of the Ruhr and shooting German workers who tried to walk off the job, right?  While I don't think we need to go into great detail in the Germany article, anything that whitewashes the severity of the reparations as they were put into place and implemented is counter to history.   

::Discussion about changing the terms of the reparation payments were already going on before the hyper-inflation. Some even accuse t the German government of causing  hyper-inflation  on purpose because to prove the point at the negotiation table that the payments were unreasonable.

::Discussion about changing the terms of the reparation payments were already going on before the hyper-inflation. Some even accuse t the German government of causing  hyper-inflation  on purpose because to prove the point at the negotiation table that the payments were unreasonable.

::* The discussions to change it did not bear fruition until after the German government was on the verge of collapse, and even then only in spite of the strong disapproval of the French who had already occupied German lands and took over factories to force repayment. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

::* The discussions to change it did not bear fruition until after the German government was on the verge of collapse, and even then only in spite of the strong disapproval of the French who had already occupied German lands and took over factories to force repayment. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:*Domestic economy is directly related to external conditions.  One of the "nicer" terms was a 12.5% tax on all exports.  If that was done in America, do you think it would have an impact on our Domestic economy even though it only deals with exports?  They're all inter-related.

:*Domestic economy is directly related to external conditions.  One of the "nicer" terms was a 12.5% tax on all exports.  If that was done in America, do you think it would have an impact on our Domestic economy even though it only deals with exports?  They're all inter-related.

::Sure they are. But saying that Hitler was caused by hyper-inflation, was caused by the treaty of Versailles, is just an excuse. Neither of them was inevitable.

::Sure they are. But saying that Hitler was caused by hyper-inflation, was caused by the treaty of Versailles, is just an excuse. Neither of them was inevitable.

::* Just out of curiosity, where do you believe you see the word inevitable used? [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

::* Just out of curiosity, where do you believe you see the word inevitable used? [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:*Hitler was a struggling artist who was able to found a movement that slowly gained power.  Political movements are formed over time.  Based on what you are saying above, the occupation of any person in power would always be political activist.  Hitler's attempt to rise to power predated the 1930's by many years.  Mein Kampf sold because he was in prison because of his earlier unsuccesful attempts at activism.  And he was, in those turbulent times, one of many.

:*Hitler was a struggling artist who was able to found a movement that slowly gained power.  Political movements are formed over time.  Based on what you are saying above, the occupation of any person in power would always be political activist.  Hitler's attempt to rise to power predated the 1930's by many years.  Mein Kampf sold because he was in prison because of his earlier unsuccesful attempts at activism.  And he was, in those turbulent times, one of many.

::When did his struggling as an artist happened? In the 1910s. At the time of the depression he was not struggling, so it wasn't a struggling artist that got to power, but a political activist and politician, who he made money selling his book and by donations from political friends. Just like others, indeed, but he wasn't struggling as an artist when the Depression started.

::When did his struggling as an artist happened? In the 1910s. At the time of the depression he was not struggling, so it wasn't a struggling artist that got to power, but a political activist and politician, who he made money selling his book and by donations from political friends. Just like others, indeed, but he wasn't struggling as an artist when the Depression started.

:::Hitler's efforts to overthrow the government began well before the Depression as you know.  Before trying to take over the government Hitler's occupation was a struggling artist.  You are well aware of this. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:::Hitler's efforts to overthrow the government began well before the Depression as you know.  Before trying to take over the government Hitler's occupation was a struggling artist.  You are well aware of this. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:*Hitler seized power as soon as he was able.

:*Hitler seized power as soon as he was able.

::Hitler was able to seize power, because certain people let him seize power. There was no coup, he legally got into power, partly through elections, but in the end by a deal he struck with von Papen who was a tad naive about Hitler.

::Hitler was able to seize power, because certain people let him seize power. There was no coup, he legally got into power, partly through elections, but in the end by a deal he struck with von Papen who was a tad naive about Hitler.

::* Interesting considering your version actually increased the size of the section. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

::* Interesting considering your version actually increased the size of the section. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

:::That is what happens if you add and merge different bits. It grows. I get the impression that you just cannot stand it that someone worked on you version. [[User:Order|Order]] 06:49, 28 November 2007 (EST)  

:::That is what happens if you add and merge different bits. It grows. I get the impression that you just cannot stand it that someone worked on you version. [[User:Order|Order]] 06:49, 28 November 2007 (EST)  

To save us some time about what I know and what I do not know about Hitlers rise to power, take some time an look at the talk pages of the Hitler article, and see what I said there [Talk:Adolf_Hitler][Talk:Adolf_Hitler/Archive1] about Hitlers rise to power. You might also look at the history of the Hitler article, and look who introduced mayor things about the beer hall putsch, and the night of long knives. This might tell you that I do know that Hitler was active before, and that he killed his opponents. And now, act like you name suggest and work together on this rather short paragraph.[[User:Order|Order]] 06:49, 28 November 2007 (EST)

To save us some time about what I know and what I do not know about Hitlers rise to power, take some time an look at the talk pages of the Hitler article, and see what I said there [[Talk:Adolf_Hitler]][[Talk:Adolf_Hitler/Archive1]] about Hitlers rise to power. You might also look at the history of the Hitler article, and look who introduced mayor things about the beer hall putsch, and the night of long knives. This might tell you that I do know that Hitler was active before, and that he killed his opponents. And now, act like you name suggest and work together on this rather short paragraph.[[User:Order|Order]] 06:49, 28 November 2007 (EST)

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