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:::::::::::: I feel the urge to dismiss them as unjustified because I believe that they ''are'' unjustified. I'm not going above some of the most prominent church teachers; I'm going along with the vast majority. Augustine was an exception to the rule, but even so did not attempt to harmonise with scientific findings nor with old Earth ideas. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 05:32, 9 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::::::: I feel the urge to dismiss them as unjustified because I believe that they ''are'' unjustified. I'm not going above some of the most prominent church teachers; I'm going along with the vast majority. Augustine was an exception to the rule, but even so did not attempt to harmonise with scientific findings nor with old Earth ideas. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 05:32, 9 December 2007 (EST)
We do know that you think that they are unjustified. And calling someone like Augustine unqualified, looks like you are picking on someone just because the person disagrees with you. Furthermore, St. Augustine did advise to harmonize scripture with scientific findings. He explicitly acknowledged that people of another persuasion can have knowledge about the world, and said that is "disgraceful" to see people arguing against them just because it might be in conflict with scripture. [[User:Order|Order]] 07:35, 9 December 2007 (EST)
We do know that you think that they are unjustified. And calling someone like Augustine unqualified, looks like you are picking on someone just because the person disagrees with you. Furthermore, St. Augustine did advise to harmonize scripture with scientific findings. He explicitly acknowledged that people of another persuasion can have knowledge about the world, and said that is "disgraceful" to see people arguing against them just because it might be in conflict with scripture. [[User:Order|Order]] 07:35, 9 December 2007 (EST)
: I never said that Augustine was "unqualified". I said that he was an "exception". Neither did I deny that he promoted the idea of harmonising Scripture with scientific findings. I merely said that that's not what he was doing in this case. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:58, 10 December 2007 (EST)
===Atheist Science===
===Atheist Science===
:"''...scientists do not propose a theory because they are evil, or because they don't like your god, but simply because they try to come up with the best explanation for the observations that they see.''": Are you seriously claiming that atheistic scientists (i.e. the subset that is atheistic) have no motive to find explanations that exclude God? Even evolutionists will admit that Darwin's motive was to eliminate God, and this was also the motive of people like Hutton and Lyell.
:"''...scientists do not propose a theory because they are evil, or because they don't like your god, but simply because they try to come up with the best explanation for the observations that they see.''": Are you seriously claiming that atheistic scientists (i.e. the subset that is atheistic) have no motive to find explanations that exclude God? Even evolutionists will admit that Darwin's motive was to eliminate God, and this was also the motive of people like Hutton and Lyell.