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But nevermind. National Geo and other well known academia are obviously rubbish compared to a creation site or sites. Forget it then.
 
But nevermind. National Geo and other well known academia are obviously rubbish compared to a creation site or sites. Forget it then.
 
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: I'm not sure exactly what your quote from the unnamed US government website is getting at, but it does indicate that the ability to be stretchy was still there.  And the connection with birds seems to be a leap into the dark; how on Earth does it show that?  A normal fossil has the tissue (whether soft tissue or hard tissue such as bone) ''replaced'' by rock (minerals).  There is no way that it can then still be soft and stretchy, or again made to be soft and stretchy.  The only way the material can be soft and stretchy is if it is still the original (perhaps a little deteriorated) biological material, and ''not'' mineralised.  And that's the point:  It was not mineralised, but still (after removing the mineralisation around the material) ''soft and stretchy''.  Yet test show that such material could not survive for anything even remotely approaching 65 million years, meaning either that (a) the preservation is exceedingly exceptional to have survived for 65 million years, despite tests showing otherwise, or (b) it is not 65 million years old.  Evolutionists opt for (a), whilst creationists quite legitimately opt for (b).  One item of evidence does not prove (or even disprove) an entire theory, but it is nevertheless totally valid for creationists to use this as one bit of evidence supporting their point of view.
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: National Geographic is no less biased than academic creationist groups.  And remember that the creationists are quoting the evolutionary researchers who made the discoveries; they're not making this stuff up.  The creationists have produced arguments to defend their point of view.  You, on the other hand, are trying to belittle them rather than answer their arguments.  Yes, you have produced some counter views, but you have not actually pointed out the flaws in the creationist arguments that I linked to.  It's like your attitude is "ignore what the creationists say and just quote what someone from the other side says, without even checking whether it really answers what the creationists are saying".
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: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 00:56, 23 January 2008 (EST)
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