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:This argument assumes that the future is capable of being the subject of knowledge (a fairly widely held assumption, but one I, and many other philosophers, reject).  That is, it assumes that a statement about the future is true or false, rather than indeterminate.  If the future is indeterminate then an omniscient deity would be able to know all that is knowable and still not know what I am going to do in the future.  Of course, this position raises problems with respect to prophesy and that may be a problem for some theists (but not necessarily for all theists if they reject prophesy or if they view prophesy as a promise of what God intends to do in the future).  So, while you are right, free will and the common understanding of an omniscient deity are at odds, free will and an omniscient deity are not necessarily at odds.--[[User:Reginod|Reginod]] 15:34, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

:This argument assumes that the future is capable of being the subject of knowledge (a fairly widely held assumption, but one I, and many other philosophers, reject).  That is, it assumes that a statement about the future is true or false, rather than indeterminate.  If the future is indeterminate then an omniscient deity would be able to know all that is knowable and still not know what I am going to do in the future.  Of course, this position raises problems with respect to prophesy and that may be a problem for some theists (but not necessarily for all theists if they reject prophesy or if they view prophesy as a promise of what God intends to do in the future).  So, while you are right, free will and the common understanding of an omniscient deity are at odds, free will and an omniscient deity are not necessarily at odds.--[[User:Reginod|Reginod]] 15:34, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

::Knowing all possible outcomes does not make a being omniscient - I know all possible outcomes of a dice-roll, but I am not omniscient.  Given time and inclination, I could work out all possible results to a general election, but I will still not be omniscient.  No matter how complex a system, no matter how many possible outcomes exist in potentia, knowing all the possibilities does not make a being omniscient, merely clever.  Omniscience would require that the being know ''which'' of the possible outcomes will occur, bringing us right back to my original point.--[[User:OmnusErudito|OmnusErudito]] 14:28, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

::Knowing all possible outcomes does not make a being omniscient - I know all possible outcomes of a dice-roll, but I am not omniscient.  Given time and inclination, I could work out all possible results to a general election, but I will still not be omniscient.  No matter how complex a system, no matter how many possible outcomes exist in potentia, knowing all the possibilities does not make a being omniscient, merely clever.  Omniscience would require that the being know ''which'' of the possible outcomes will occur, bringing us right back to my original point. (I like your rewrite of the article, by the way)--[[User:OmnusErudito|OmnusErudito]] 14:28, 15 March 2007 (EDT)