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It's probably true that "Nearly everyone who opposes classroom prayer also opposes it even if no one objects", but there ''are'' exceptions, and we have to be careful not to presume that any particular individual fits the stereotype.  I also agree that the objection of a single student should not be able to stop everyone else having prayer.  In some circumstances, being able to opt out is a good practice, but when it comes to prayer, having a student leave the classroom for the 30 seconds (or whatever, it could well be longer, but might well be quite short also) that a prayer is being said is unnecessary mucking around.  Also, atheists consider prayer to be meaningless, so what harm is there if a student has to listen to a prayer being said?  It's not like the student is required to participate (pray also) or believe; all he has to do is sit there quietly while the prayer is being said.  What's so wrong with that?  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:02, 3 March 2008 (EST)
 
It's probably true that "Nearly everyone who opposes classroom prayer also opposes it even if no one objects", but there ''are'' exceptions, and we have to be careful not to presume that any particular individual fits the stereotype.  I also agree that the objection of a single student should not be able to stop everyone else having prayer.  In some circumstances, being able to opt out is a good practice, but when it comes to prayer, having a student leave the classroom for the 30 seconds (or whatever, it could well be longer, but might well be quite short also) that a prayer is being said is unnecessary mucking around.  Also, atheists consider prayer to be meaningless, so what harm is there if a student has to listen to a prayer being said?  It's not like the student is required to participate (pray also) or believe; all he has to do is sit there quietly while the prayer is being said.  What's so wrong with that?  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:02, 3 March 2008 (EST)
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:Andy and Phil, I have a hypothetical question. Let's say an observant Jewish child (like mine) is in a majority Christian class, and feels, well, very uncomfortable when the teacher wants to lead the class in the Lord's Prayer?  Is it just "tough knuckles" for my boy?  We do have a bit of unpleasant history around these issues.[[User:LeonardH|LeonardH]] 23:37, 3 March 2008 (EST)
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