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Debate:Is "Coercive Interrogation" consistent with Christian Values? (view source)
Revision as of 13:45, March 31, 2008
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:::::: You're presuming guilt, Capercorn, and the only reason anyone is even pretending it's a legitimate argument is because noone has any idea what detainees' legal status actually is. If they're criminals, then they must be presumed innocent and be given due process (a fair and public trial) - this means no 'coercive interrogation'. If they're prisoners of war, they have to be treated in accord with the Geneva convention - again, no 'coercive interrogation'. Honestly, this shouldn't even be an issue. And to return to the original topic, Jesus said to turn the other cheek - or perhaps it's just that part of the Bible which isn't meant literally?[[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 22:08, 18 February 2008 (EST)
:::::: You're presuming guilt, Capercorn, and the only reason anyone is even pretending it's a legitimate argument is because noone has any idea what detainees' legal status actually is. If they're criminals, then they must be presumed innocent and be given due process (a fair and public trial) - this means no 'coercive interrogation'. If they're prisoners of war, they have to be treated in accord with the Geneva convention - again, no 'coercive interrogation'. Honestly, this shouldn't even be an issue. And to return to the original topic, Jesus said to turn the other cheek - or perhaps it's just that part of the Bible which isn't meant literally?[[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 22:08, 18 February 2008 (EST)
:::::: Is going against the very ideals of america to protect americans okay. What if you were put in jail for some perceived crime and had habeus corpus suspended so you had no trial, and no hope of getting out? Is that okay with you I mean there is a chance you could be a threat and there is no way to know unless you perform some crime. The reason the Salem witch trials are perceived as being bad is not only that they were listening to hysterical children, but the accused were presumed guilty until proven innocent. Perhaps if Americans treated the world as we love to be treated our international standing may be much better. [[User:Rellik|Rellik]] 00:01, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
:::::: Is going against the very ideals of america to protect americans okay. What if you were put in jail for some perceived crime and had habeus corpus suspended so you had no trial, and no hope of getting out? Is that okay with you I mean there is a chance you could be a threat and there is no way to know unless you perform some crime. The reason the Salem witch trials are perceived as being bad is not only that they were listening to hysterical children, but the accused were presumed guilty until proven innocent. Perhaps if Americans treated the world as we love to be treated our international standing may be much better. [[User:Rellik|Rellik]] 00:01, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
:::::::The record of the 'worlds' standing when compared to that of the United States of America is simply pathetic. Those who love to bash the U.S. do so only because of their hatred for it. No other country has ever contributed more to the 'world' in recent history then the U.S. There is no other country that protects the rights of people better with its legal system then the United States. The United States legal system presumes innocence before guilt. Not like most of the 'world' that presumes a person guilty until they prove or buy their innocence. Such has always been the 'world'. The United States of Americas international standing is what it has always been of that shining light and bastion of freedom and liberty that sets it apart from the darkness of the rest of the 'world'.--[[User:Roopilots6|Roopilots6]] 09:45, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
==Rebuttal to RobS==
==Rebuttal to RobS==
Disinformation? The CIA admit do doing it. In a similar manner they violated Italy's soverignity by kidnapping an Imam instead of extradition being requested.[[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 19:03, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
Disinformation? The CIA admit do doing it. In a similar manner they violated Italy's soverignity by kidnapping an Imam instead of extradition being requested.[[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 19:03, 16 March 2008 (EDT)