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::And if you'll do a Google search, I think you'd be surprised at some of the comments Gingrich himself made of the Patriot Act ''including'' its sunset clauses. Here again, don't confuse me with the facts. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 21:19, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
::And if you'll do a Google search, I think you'd be surprised at some of the comments Gingrich himself made of the Patriot Act ''including'' its sunset clauses. Here again, don't confuse me with the facts. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 21:19, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
I don't think we should delete the section, at least not without re-writing it. Conservatives such as [[Jeff Flake]] and [[Ron Paul]] also have been critical of the Patriot Act, so it's not just a liberal thing. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:03, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
==Reasons opponents give for their objections==
It's not enough to say, "Mr. X said it infringed our rights." We need to state what rights, how they are infringed; and better yet, give an analysis showing how those rights are balanced with other values - such as security.
For example, if the act allows the FBI to look at a terrorism suspect's notebook computer - to see whether he's planning to fly a plane into an office building - then what "rights" of that suspect are being violated? Would the Act permit evidence to used in court against him? Or would the intelligence simply be used to thwart a hijacking? Inquiring minds want to know.
Otherwise, it's just politics. As in, the following senators voted against it. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 16:05, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
:I don't think we should delete the section, at least not without re-writing it. Conservatives such as [[Jeff Flake]] and [[Ron Paul]] also have been critical of the Patriot Act, so it's not just a liberal thing. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:03, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
::Good. Since they are conservatives, maybe they have actual reasons for their objections - which we could then describe in detail. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 16:05, 8 April 2008 (EDT)