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:The moral issue is academic freedom. The motivation of these "infringement" reports is not so much to ensure that copyright owners get all the money they deserve, but to suppress the message of the film - which, ironically, is that Darwinsts suppress all criticism of their ideas. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:59, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
:The moral issue is academic freedom. The motivation of these "infringement" reports is not so much to ensure that copyright owners get all the money they deserve, but to suppress the message of the film - which, ironically, is that Darwinsts suppress all criticism of their ideas. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:59, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
::: I think the moral issue here is that the producers of ''Expelled'' are ina venture aimed at making a profit, so if they are earning revenues from the film they owe royalties on any copyrighted material used, or the permission of the copyright holders to use the material royalty-free. The producers of the movie may feel they are entitled to use this material because it's for a cause they believe in, but they're still charging admission. As I recall, "Thou shalt not steal" is a moral principle, too. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 00:39, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'm not aware that "academic freedom" is a defense to copyright infringement! Further, that legal issue is in fact settled. Although it depends upon the nature of the use of the "seconds," a copyright violation can cease to be ''de minimis'' from a use of as few as 60 seconds of video/audio. Would you like to submit a reading plan for Title 17 of the US Code? I can suggest you start with ss 106-07.-[[User:Chimera1|Chimera1]] 15:02, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
::I'm not aware that "academic freedom" is a defense to copyright infringement! Further, that legal issue is in fact settled. Although it depends upon the nature of the use of the "seconds," a copyright violation can cease to be ''de minimis'' from a use of as few as 60 seconds of video/audio. Would you like to submit a reading plan for Title 17 of the US Code? I can suggest you start with ss 106-07.-[[User:Chimera1|Chimera1]] 15:02, 23 April 2008 (EDT)