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And finally (and the main reason I axed this section), there is a logical gap between this section and the one before it (which talks about how "evolutionists" credit the "survival of the fittest" principle for our ''survival'' reflexes) because all of a sudden, we have the claim that "evolutionists" credit "survival of the fittest" for the catch-old-lady reflex. Huh? This doesn't make sense. "Survival of the fittest" is hardly the only principle such reflexes are based on, which pretty much negates the point of this paragraph in its current form. --[[User:DirkB|DirkB]] 08:11, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
And finally (and the main reason I axed this section), there is a logical gap between this section and the one before it (which talks about how "evolutionists" credit the "survival of the fittest" principle for our ''survival'' reflexes) because all of a sudden, we have the claim that "evolutionists" credit "survival of the fittest" for the catch-old-lady reflex. Huh? This doesn't make sense. "Survival of the fittest" is hardly the only principle such reflexes are based on, which pretty much negates the point of this paragraph in its current form. --[[User:DirkB|DirkB]] 08:11, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
:Addressing your points: Creationism vs. ID, yes, I got mixed up. Fixed.
:As for the other points you removed, why would we have reflexes--something so instinctual and involuntary--if they weren't given to us by God as a way of preserving ourselves and, in the empathetic reflex case, others? This seems like something that should be considered, and if it hasn't been made before by proponents of ID, I think it would strengthen their case. I certainly don't know of any explanations by scientists for why people would have empathetic reflexes. Their survival of the fittest would instead say that we'd let the old lady fall because she wasn't fit enough to stand, or that we wouldn't wince in empathy when we saw another person get injured. That seems pretty cruel.
:I'm reinstating the deleted content, with the hope that it will inspire people to seek out more evidence on these ideas. It certainly made me ponder when I made that realization about the old lady on my bus. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 14:33, 27 September 2008 (EDT)