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:I agree, Hsmom. Thanks for your input. I would also add that not only is it more helpful for students to cite our work, but it's clearly in the rules that we must do so.
:I agree, Hsmom. Thanks for your input. I would also add that not only is it more helpful for students to cite our work, but it's clearly in the rules that we must do so.
:RJJensen, I think you are slightly confused about plagiarism. It ''is'' plagiarism even if it's outside of academic circles. Wasn't there a case not too long ago about a New York Times journalist who got in trouble for plagiarism? The NYTimes isn't an academic source. You bring up ghostwriters and speechwriters as a counter example, but these people give permission for someone else to use the writer's words as their own (and in fact are paid rather handsomely for it). This is not plagiarism, not because it's "outside the academic environment", but because they are being given permission to do so. Your strange infactuation with the idea that colleges invented plagiarism is, well, strange. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:37, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
:RJJensen, I think you are slightly confused about plagiarism. It ''is'' plagiarism even if it's outside of academic circles. Wasn't there a case not too long ago about a New York Times journalist who got in trouble for plagiarism? The NYTimes isn't an academic source. You bring up ghostwriters and speechwriters as a counter example, but these people give permission for someone else to use the writer's words as their own (and in fact are paid rather handsomely for it). This is not plagiarism, not because it's "outside the academic environment", but because they are being given permission to do so. Your strange infactuation with the idea that colleges invented plagiarism is, well, strange. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:37, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
::I agree with Hsmom that CP is much more useful when it has lots of citations, and all my articles are loaded with them and with detailed bibliographies. The NY Times case involved massive fraud on the part of Jason Blair a "star" writer who regularly scooped every other reporter in the US with spectacular interviews. Turns out they were false interviews he invented. To cover himself he used true interviews other people had conducted claiming them as his own (which is plagiarism in the academic world and fraud in the newspaper world). He was fired and the NY Times also fired its #1 and #2 top editors who had ignored repeated warnings by lower-level editors that the reporter was a phoney. Blair's main offense was not the copying true info (his plagiarism) but that he systematically created false news and fooled the NY Times into publishing it. The CP article should mention that he was black, and that the #1 editor was demanding aggressive affirmative action, and the #2 editor was also black, so that affirmative action was a central factor in allowing it to happen. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:50, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
== Plagiarism and the law ==
== Plagiarism and the law ==