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, 05:58, October 25, 2008→Catholics not as Christians?: Galileo, the church and science, and the basis of biblical truth
:::::Mr. Rayment (and my apologies in advance if that is an inappropriate title), I am curious about two statements here. First, the historical evidence seems to suggest that the Catholic Church was very much against science in its infancy. History is replete with examples of it censoring new discoveries when they didn't sync with its teachings. An excellent case study is the drama that ensued with Kepler and Galileo (though Kepler's inflammatory remarks certainly didn't help smooth things over). And the Church condemned evolution when it was first proposed, so I would definitely say that it has become more accepting of science, though the causes for that shift are beyond my expertise.
:::::Mr. Rayment (and my apologies in advance if that is an inappropriate title), I am curious about two statements here. First, the historical evidence seems to suggest that the Catholic Church was very much against science in its infancy. History is replete with examples of it censoring new discoveries when they didn't sync with its teachings. An excellent case study is the drama that ensued with Kepler and Galileo (though Kepler's inflammatory remarks certainly didn't help smooth things over). And the Church condemned evolution when it was first proposed, so I would definitely say that it has become more accepting of science, though the causes for that shift are beyond my expertise.
:::::Second, and I know I'm getting into treacherous waters here, but you assert that it has become more accepting of the anti-Biblical philosophy of evolution. To start with, I would like to assert my own claim that evolution is not anti-Biblical per se, but as that is an extended argument better placed elsewhere, I will simply make that assertation and leave it. What I want to disagree with here is that the Church has become more accepting of an anti-Biblical movement. I will simply say that this is not quite correct. Instead, the Church has asserted the independence of Biblical Truth from scientific domains. In other words, the Catholic Church holds that the Bible should not be used as a scientific authority, but rather as a spiritual authority.--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 15:33, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::Second, and I know I'm getting into treacherous waters here, but you assert that it has become more accepting of the anti-Biblical philosophy of evolution. To start with, I would like to assert my own claim that evolution is not anti-Biblical per se, but as that is an extended argument better placed elsewhere, I will simply make that assertation and leave it. What I want to disagree with here is that the Church has become more accepting of an anti-Biblical movement. I will simply say that this is not quite correct. Instead, the Church has asserted the independence of Biblical Truth from scientific domains. In other words, the Catholic Church holds that the Bible should not be used as a scientific authority, but rather as a spiritual authority.--[[User:Thinker|Thinker]] 15:33, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::: As far as Galileo is concerned, an in-depth look at the situation is [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/1625/ here], but in a few words, the problems were not due to his science. As for the more general question of the Church and science, see the section titled ''Christians and the foundation of science'' in [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/1584/#science this article].
:::::: The Bible records that the entire period from the appearance of the universe to the appearance of man was six days. Evolution completely contradicts that, so is anti-biblical. Jesus said ({{Bible ref|John|3|12}}) that if you don't believe the earthly things (e.g. history and science) that he tells us, why should we believe heavenly (spiritual) things? Much of the Bible's teaching is ''based on'' its claims about history (e.g. {{Bible ref|Mark|10|5-9}}). Give that history away to "science", and you've given away the foundation for the "Biblical Truth".
:::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:58, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
== Roman Catholicism ==
== Roman Catholicism ==