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:::Here is Planck's [http://planck.bbaw.de/planckiana.php?dokument=120 Wahlvorschlag] for Einstein from June 12th, 1913, i.e., his proposal to elect Albert Einstein into the ''Preußische Akademie der Wissenschaften'' - in this time one of the leading bodies of science. It's full of praise for Einstein, especially regarding the ''Theory of Relativity'', and you'll find the lines I quoted above: ''"Daß er in seinen Spekulationen gelegentlich auch einmal über das Ziel hinausgeschossen haben mag, wie z.B. in seiner Hypothese der Lichtquanten, wird man ihm nicht allzu sehr anrechnen dürfen. Denn ohne einmal ein Risiko zu wagen, läßt sich auch in der exaktesten Wissenschaft keine wirkliche Neuerung einführen."'' ''(He may have overshot the mark with his speculations sometimes, as regarding his hypothesis of the light quanta, but one can't hold this against him. Because without taking a risk, nothing really new can be introduced into the most exact of sciences)''--[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 15:41, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::Here is Planck's [http://planck.bbaw.de/planckiana.php?dokument=120 Wahlvorschlag] for Einstein from June 12th, 1913, i.e., his proposal to elect Albert Einstein into the ''Preußische Akademie der Wissenschaften'' - in this time one of the leading bodies of science. It's full of praise for Einstein, especially regarding the ''Theory of Relativity'', and you'll find the lines I quoted above: ''"Daß er in seinen Spekulationen gelegentlich auch einmal über das Ziel hinausgeschossen haben mag, wie z.B. in seiner Hypothese der Lichtquanten, wird man ihm nicht allzu sehr anrechnen dürfen. Denn ohne einmal ein Risiko zu wagen, läßt sich auch in der exaktesten Wissenschaft keine wirkliche Neuerung einführen."'' ''(He may have overshot the mark with his speculations sometimes, as regarding his hypothesis of the light quanta, but one can't hold this against him. Because without taking a risk, nothing really new can be introduced into the most exact of sciences)''--[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 15:41, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::: So Planck praised Einstein. Maybe Einstein deserved being elected to that group. I am not disputing that. Maybe Einstein said something about light quanta that Planck did not fully agree with. Planck does not say who deserves credit for quantizing light. Even if he did, the more significant fact is that Planck published five years earlier. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 18:14, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
::::: And Newton published 200 years earlier about light existing from ''corpuscles''. But neither Planck nor Newton published on the ''photoelectric effect'', using light-quanta. You may not like it, but Planck, Born, the Nobel committee, gave Einstein credit for his explanation - Lenard, of course, did not, not so much because of a priority dispute but as he didn't accept the ''jüdische Physik'' ... --[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 18:32, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
::::: And here is a nice - albeit secondary - [http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/183228/electromagnetic-radiation quote] from the Encyclopaedia Britannica: ''These oscillators of frequency ν are incapable of absorbing or emitting electromagnetic radiation except in energy chunks of size hν. To explain quantized absorption and emission of radiation, it seemed sufficient to quantize only the energy levels of mechanical systems. Planck did not mean to say that electromagnetic radiation itself is quantized, or as Einstein later put it, “The sale of beer in pint bottles does not imply that beer exists only in indivisible pint portions.” The idea that electromagnetic radiation itself is quantized was proposed by Einstein in 1905, as described in the subsequent section.'' As usual, they express the thoughts so much clearer then I can do it... --[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 18:50, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::: I am happy to give them all the same credit that the Nobel committee gave them, but the Nobel committee did not credit Einstein with quantizing light. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 21:38, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
::::::: Hopefully my edits cleared up all the issues over the Nobel prizes. The quotes are directly from the webpage of the Nobel Foundation. Ed: Forgot to sign [[User:ArnoldFriend|ArnoldFriend]] 18:11, 27 October 2008 (EDT)