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Is anyone interested in the truth here?
:If you read [http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/hsx/] (from the Holocaust Museum) more carefully, you'll see that while less than 15,000 men were placed in concentration camps just for being gay (and presumably, many of those survived), "approximately 50,000 served prison terms as convicted homosexuals," and around 100,000 were arrested. As you say, this is a relatively small part of the overall story of the Nazis, but it certainly was real: it certainly isn't a matter of the gay community trying to ride the Jewish community's "sympathy coattails". Google "the forgotten Five Million" and you'll find many good sites that talk about some of the smaller groups targeted by the Nazis. Individually, each group was small, but taken together, nearly half of all Holocaust deaths (approx. 5m out of approx. 11m) were targeted for some trait other than Jewishness. [[User:Fishal|Fishal]] 08:19, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:If you read [http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/hsx/] (from the Holocaust Museum) more carefully, you'll see that while less than 15,000 men were placed in concentration camps just for being gay (and presumably, many of those survived), "approximately 50,000 served prison terms as convicted homosexuals," and around 100,000 were arrested. As you say, this is a relatively small part of the overall story of the Nazis, but it certainly was real: it certainly isn't a matter of the gay community trying to ride the Jewish community's "sympathy coattails". Google "the forgotten Five Million" and you'll find many good sites that talk about some of the smaller groups targeted by the Nazis. Individually, each group was small, but taken together, nearly half of all Holocaust deaths (approx. 5m out of approx. 11m) were targeted for some trait other than Jewishness. [[User:Fishal|Fishal]] 08:19, 11 November 2008 (EST)
The deception is to imply that gays were rounded up "for being homosexuals". Please provide evidence for that, or drop it.
What I've seen is rather that a relatively tiny group of men were arrested "for breaking a law" with their '''actions''': specifically, having sex in a public place with other men.
We need to write more about the distinction between "traits" (or "identities") and [[Behavior]].
Another theme here (perhaps [[Gay deceit]]?) is the deliberate blurring of distinctions. This is used to persuade people of things that are not true.
We all agree (or pay lip service to, if you're a typical liberal) the idea that we should tell the truth. Who's going to help me tell the truth about this? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 10:08, 11 November 2008 (EST)