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::::What I meant, Ed, was that he is trying to use exampes of bigotry to prove that all (or most) liberals are bigotted. It can't be done, unless he gives an example from all (or most) liberals. I don't know how many times I have said this across this wiki, but nobody seems to understand this point. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:52, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::::What I meant, Ed, was that he is trying to use exampes of bigotry to prove that all (or most) liberals are bigotted. It can't be done, unless he gives an example from all (or most) liberals. I don't know how many times I have said this across this wiki, but nobody seems to understand this point. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:52, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:::::You don't seem to understand the basis of statistics and representative data. It is utterly impossible to survey the entirety of a population in ''any study''. Instead, we have to rely on representative examples, the broader the better. This establishes an underlying culture and shared values. [[User:RodWeathers|RodWeathers]] 19:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:::::You don't seem to understand the basis of statistics and representative data. It is utterly impossible to survey the entirety of a population in ''any study''. Instead, we have to rely on representative examples, the broader the better. This establishes an underlying culture and shared values. [[User:RodWeathers|RodWeathers]] 19:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::::::That's not actually a problem for me. What that tells me is that you need to find a study that someone has done of bigotry and liberalism (it's not too outlandish to think that someone might have done it already), or find some reliable definition of liberal, elitist, atheist and homosexual that includes bigotry as one of its major characteristics, or change the language of the statement to match something you can back up. ''Some'' liberals are bigots, but not all of them, and they aren't the only ones. Some conservatives are bigots, how many examples do you want me to find before I can add conservatives to the list of people defined by bigotry? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:02, 13 November 2008 (EST)
Never let it be said that I failed to understand a point. I was kind of pulling your leg with the 'example logic' above.
Never let it be said that I failed to understand a point. I was kind of pulling your leg with the 'example logic' above.
Apparently what is happening is that the two different sides are using selected examples to argue that the other side are the real bigots. Erasing each other's examples isn't going to remedy the situation. I suggest we try something else. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 19:59, 13 November 2008 (EST)
Apparently what is happening is that the two different sides are using selected examples to argue that the other side are the real bigots. Erasing each other's examples isn't going to remedy the situation. I suggest we try something else. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 19:59, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:Lol, sorry, Ed I missed your humor. I just spent waaaaaay too much time vetting the examples and I was a little tunnel visioned ;-) You are right, that examples can be used ''sometimes'', but they can't be used to prove all inclusive statements, like the one in the article. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:02, 13 November 2008 (EST)