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Talk:Young Earth Creationism (view source)
Revision as of 15:13, November 16, 2008
, 15:13, November 16, 2008→Mutually exclusive: Description of claim 1 is the problem.
That's akin to stopping someone who is reading a sign that is a long ways away and saying "No you can't know that, no one can see that far, but here let me also show you by reading the sign and telling you what it really says" If someone said that to you you would point out that the two arguments for why you are wrong are mutually exclusive. --[[User:Brendanw|Brendanw]] 09:18, 16 November 2008 (EST)
That's akin to stopping someone who is reading a sign that is a long ways away and saying "No you can't know that, no one can see that far, but here let me also show you by reading the sign and telling you what it really says" If someone said that to you you would point out that the two arguments for why you are wrong are mutually exclusive. --[[User:Brendanw|Brendanw]] 09:18, 16 November 2008 (EST)
: I agree with your description of claim 2, and of your analysis on the basis of your descriptions, but don't agree that your description of claim 1 is correct. Claim 1 is more along the lines of saying that neither evolution nor creation can be ''scientifically "proved"'', as both involve untestable assumptions. Claim 2 says that you can, however, still see which view the evidence is more consistent with.
: To give an example, we observe that everything that we see begin to exist has a cause. So does that prove that the universe had a cause? No, partly because science can never actually prove anything, or, more specifically, just because everything that we ''see'' begin has a cause, doesn't mean that ''everything'' that begins has a cause. We are free to speculate that the universe popped into existence out of nothing for no reason (as many Big Bangers do). Creationists, however, argue that the universe was created by God.
: So, ...
:* The creationists believe, ''on the basis of their theistic worldview'' that the universe was created by God.
:* The secularists believe, ''on the basis of their atheistic worldview'', that the universe had no cause.
: Neither is scientifically testable. However, it is the creationists' view that is ''more consistent with'' the evidence that observations show things that begin having a cause.
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:13, 16 November 2008 (EST)