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PhilipJ, you're not fooling anyone here with your pushing your liberal point-of-view about [[gun control]].  The imposition of strict gun control in Australia converted the country from being somewhat conservative to be being controlled by [[leftists]].  Maybe you prefer that, but there's no denying the effect and you're not going to push your liberal point-of-view by censoring the facts in the entry here.  Have you figured out how the city sizes in Australia compare with the U.S. yet?--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 08:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 
PhilipJ, you're not fooling anyone here with your pushing your liberal point-of-view about [[gun control]].  The imposition of strict gun control in Australia converted the country from being somewhat conservative to be being controlled by [[leftists]].  Maybe you prefer that, but there's no denying the effect and you're not going to push your liberal point-of-view by censoring the facts in the entry here.  Have you figured out how the city sizes in Australia compare with the U.S. yet?--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 08:54, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 
: I ''do'' deny the effect.  And there's no denying that it's deniable.  And I've already said that I'm not answering your questions until you answer the ones you were asked.  And I resent you continuing to misrepresent me as favouring "liberal" views.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:36, 30 December 2008 (EST)
 
: I ''do'' deny the effect.  And there's no denying that it's deniable.  And I've already said that I'm not answering your questions until you answer the ones you were asked.  And I resent you continuing to misrepresent me as favouring "liberal" views.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:36, 30 December 2008 (EST)
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::Well, as [http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp Snopes] has blatantly put it, to say crime has increased due to gun control is misleading. (example) ''If 100 people are killed and 10 are due to firearms, that's 10% one year. If 10 people are killed the next year, 5 due to firearms, that's 50%, a 40% increase (in reality, it's halved).'' That's exactly what was [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Gun_control&diff=prev&oldid=576029 being said] above, yet it's so simple to see how horribly wrong some people can use math. Mr. Rayment is right, no amount of misleading deceit or personal attacks can warp the facts.
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::This "you're not fooling anyone here", "liberal viewpoint", "pushing liberal POV", or calling someone a liberal to make their argument invalid, is certainly not a way of discussion. Please stop the personal attacks, Aschlafly. It's silly to attack the person rather than the point (that you've yet to support!). You realize that the rules that oppress regular editors can apply to you too, right? Or am I crazy enough to think that Commandment 1 exists only for non-admins? [[User:JimJeweler|Jalast Jeweler]] 10:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)
    
==Loss of the frontier spirit to urban "values" ==
 
==Loss of the frontier spirit to urban "values" ==
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