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Debate:Where is Hell? (view source)
Revision as of 14:09, February 21, 2009
, 14:09, February 21, 2009→Responses: to ENorman, breaking in later
::::::: As to the rest of your statement, people obviously get more than "one chance", but it's not infinity. Justice necessarily entails harsh punishment for harsh crimes, and even the death penalty here on Earth. Perhaps Hell is being ruled by the devil, and yes he does enjoy whipping and burning people to to an unimaginable extent. In fact, he delights in it. Suit yourself in trying to downplay it. Logic and evidence say you're wrong.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:26, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::::::: As to the rest of your statement, people obviously get more than "one chance", but it's not infinity. Justice necessarily entails harsh punishment for harsh crimes, and even the death penalty here on Earth. Perhaps Hell is being ruled by the devil, and yes he does enjoy whipping and burning people to to an unimaginable extent. In fact, he delights in it. Suit yourself in trying to downplay it. Logic and evidence say you're wrong.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:26, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::::::::By "one chance" I meant your life. I apologize for any confusion. Obviously you have multiple chances to be saved, but after you are dead not as much. And my statement about the physical punishment comes from the fact people eventually acclimate to harsh conditions, but not as much to the psychological. Of course, it could easily be a combination of the two. If you are there for all eternity, and nobody can (or will) help or even comfort you, that would be despair beyond anything.
::::::::By "one chance" I meant your life. I apologize for any confusion. Obviously you have multiple chances to be saved, but after you are dead not as much. And my statement about the physical punishment comes from the fact people eventually acclimate to harsh conditions, but not as much to the psychological. Of course, it could easily be a combination of the two. If you are there for all eternity, and nobody can (or will) help or even comfort you, that would be despair beyond anything.
:::::::::::(breaking in later) My response will differ from Andy's because I'm a [[Unificationist]], but I agree about the psychological aspect. People genuinely suffer in hell, and the worst part is probably regret. But unlike most Christians, I believe that it is possible to get a second chance after death. In the Unification Church, we call this "[[returning resurrection]]". Don't confuse it with [[reincarnation]] (a doctrine we regard as heretical at best, and probably pernicious as well).
:::::::::::If there is a way for spirit men to influence earthly humans, then might they not "come down" in some way and help us attain [[spiritual growth]] "since God had planned something better for us, so that they would not be perfected without us." (Hebrews 11:40) I know this is not mainstream Christianity, but it's what [[Reverend Moon]] teaches. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 09:09, 21 February 2009 (EST)
::::::::Also, to CD's question about those who never had the chance to know God, there's a few ideas about that. Though not canon, Dante described the "virtuous pagans" and unbaptized as going to Limbo, the outermost ring of Hell where there is no punishment, but no chance of salvation either. There's also the idea of Purgatory, where they atone their sins before entering Heaven (as far as I know this is mostly a Catholic belief). [[User:ENorman|ENorman]] 22:50, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::::::::Also, to CD's question about those who never had the chance to know God, there's a few ideas about that. Though not canon, Dante described the "virtuous pagans" and unbaptized as going to Limbo, the outermost ring of Hell where there is no punishment, but no chance of salvation either. There's also the idea of Purgatory, where they atone their sins before entering Heaven (as far as I know this is mostly a Catholic belief). [[User:ENorman|ENorman]] 22:50, 20 February 2009 (EST)