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| − | Why is distance and size information being ripped out of this article, especially since it is virtually all cited? Why isn't it discussed first in the talk section here? What is disputed about distance? Distance to extra-galactic objects are not just guessed at and it doesn't imply age, it just implies distance. I mean how small do people think the universe is? As far as I know, but creationists and non-creationists agree the universe is very large and most galaxies are millions or billions of light years away. --[[User:BMcP|BMcP]] 08:29, 11 February 2010 (EST)
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| − | :BMcP, I explained this on your talk page many days ago, without a satisfactory response. We don't simply repeat, robot-like, the implausible or illogical claims of atheists here. You're in the wrong place for that. Mindless repetition of [[liberal]] claims may work on Wikipedia, but not here.
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| − | :An example is the claim that you've just reinserted that this galaxy will collide with Earth in many billions of years. It's a ludicrous, non-scientific assertion that is simply designed to pry people from the Bible and from God.
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| − | :I've begged you to reconsider the liberal assumptions with an open mind. I've begged you to open the Bible and spend some meaningful time reading it with an open mind. But I can't and wouldn't force you to do either. What I will do is keep the atheistic nonsense off this site, unless you want to post it under a new entry entitled "liberal claims lacking in scientific verification."
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| − | ::The radial velocity of the Andromeda galaxy with respect to the Milky Way can be measured by examining the Doppler shift of spectral lines from stars in the galaxy. Using this the Andromeda Galaxy is approaching the Sun at about 100 to 140 kilometers per second.[http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/galaxy_collides_020507-1.html] We can then estimate how long it would be before the galaxies meet up using math. That is how we get the estimate of 2.5 billion or so years. I will however concede that the collision is uncertain because the two galaxies may move past each other instead because we cannot exactly measure Andromeda's transverse velocity. Because of that, I will change the text about the galaxies colliding to being uncertain. Is this acceptable?
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| − | :::The claim is completely unverifiable. It's absurd even to contemplate whether the universe would exist so far into the future, not to mention the assumptions you're making about physical constants.
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| − | :::BMcP, I'm not going to spend all day urging you again and again to open your mind and confront the liberal assumptions. Open your mind or go edit on another site. Atheistic Wikipedia might welcome the unverified, pro-liberal junk science.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:32, 11 February 2010 (EST)
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| − | ::::Measuring the galaxy's distance, velocity, and size is cited over and over, I urge you to actually read the science papers linked. As for its approach, you can measure that using the Doppler Effect, if you do not understand this effect, there are articles explaining how it works. You can even measure yourself using the right equipment. My only assumption is the raw data isn't fudged and if it is, any measurement will soon show that, so I am confident in the data. --[[User:BMcP|BMcP]] 11:50, 11 February 2010 (EST)
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