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Hi RobS. Why are you so keen to put something on Doenitz in it. This is a little factoid, but not really worth mentioning. Hitler felt betrayed by almost everybody, in particular by the German people as a whole. He famously said, that the German race had prove to be weaker than the Slavic race, and deserved to be wiped out. That's a sentiment. Hitlers feeling about the different parts of the armed forces are in comparison irrelevant. The entire Doenitz episode is nothing more than a footnote. The importsnt bit is that the armed forces uncondionally surrendered a few days later.[[User:Order]] 5 April, 1:20 (AEST)
Hi RobS. Why are you so keen to put something on Doenitz in it. This is a little factoid, but not really worth mentioning. Hitler felt betrayed by almost everybody, in particular by the German people as a whole. He famously said, that the German race had prove to be weaker than the Slavic race, and deserved to be wiped out. That's a sentiment. Hitlers feeling about the different parts of the armed forces are in comparison irrelevant. The entire Doenitz episode is nothing more than a footnote. The importsnt bit is that the armed forces uncondionally surrendered a few days later.[[User:Order]] 5 April, 1:20 (AEST)
:I agree totally. But when I tried to clarify Doenitz's role, somebody was intent upon defaming him as a Nazi. Point of fact is (1) I do not believe he ever was a party member, (2) he never asked for the job, (3) he got sentenced to 10 years simply because Hitler appointed him sucessor.
:And the Doentiz incident is revealing of several factors, primarily Hitler's delusion and lunacy at the very end, feeling betrayed by Goering (Luftwaffee) Himmler (SS) and the the Wehrmacht who trid to kill him in 1944. Hitler's thinking was the Kriegmarine was the only fighting force left,and he wanted them to continue the fight, despite not being around to lead them. And the only reason the Kriegmarine was available is because the U-boats were moreless bottle-up in harbor cause anti-submarine warfare was so effective.
:And although, not in this article, but elsewhere, Doentiz case is illustratative of other points that can be discussed regarding the treatment of some Germans by the allies in the post-war period. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 11:48, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
== Final solution/holocaust is all mixed up ==
== Final solution/holocaust is all mixed up ==
The section on the final solution and the holocaust is a mess. It starts with the final solution, a policy that became official in 1942, iirc. The night of broken glass was in 1938. And the story about the Grynspans may be neat, but is, however terrible for the people involved, really not relevant for this article. [[User:Order]] 5 April 1:40 (AEST)
The section on the final solution and the holocaust is a mess. It starts with the final solution, a policy that became official in 1942, iirc. The night of broken glass was in 1938. And the story about the Grynspans may be neat, but is, however terrible for the people involved, really not relevant for this article. [[User:Order]] 5 April 1:40 (AEST)