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==Response and analysis==
==Response and analysis==
The attacks left the world stunned, not only due the number killed in such a manner, but that it happened in Norway, a country seen as relatively peaceful, and by a young man who was/is much of an enigma.
The attacks left the world stunned, not only due the number killed in such a manner, but that it happened in Norway, a country seen as relatively peaceful. And by a blond haired, green eyed 32-year-old gunman, looking much like a Nordic ideal (he claimed Viking ancestry), who was/is much of an enigma, who apparently had no criminal record other than traffic violations, and was a well read Norwegian and a fan of Max Manus, a Norwegian World War II hero.
Certain [[liberal]] sources such as Professor Juan Cole were quick to implicate conservatives as somewhat culpable for Breivik's rampage, leading others to opine that, “The Left tends to use non-violent passive resistance, like with Gandhi and MLK, Jr.”
Certain [[liberal]] sources such as Professor Juan Cole were quick to implicate conservatives as somewhat culpable for Breivik's rampage, leading others to opine that, “The Left tends to use non-violent passive resistance, like with Gandhi and MLK, Jr.”
"Your above-cited quote is a good case of historical amnesia, deliberate or otherwise... You apparently have never heard of (or don’t want to acknowledge) the Weathermen, the Black Panthers, the Symbionese Liberation Army, and others in the U.S.; not to mention the Bolsheviks in Russia, Mao Zhe Dong in China, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Kim Jong Il in North Korea, the FARC in Colombia, the Sendero Luminoso in Peru, The MIR in Chile, and other Leftist movements throughout the world that have used terrorism as a tactic. I think an objective tally would prove that both the Left and the Right are equal opportunity terrorists."<ref>''White Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism in Norway,'' Informed consent blog, posted on 07/23/2011</ref>
"Your above-cited quote is a good case of historical amnesia, deliberate or otherwise... You apparently have never heard of (or don’t want to acknowledge) the Weathermen, the Black Panthers, the Symbionese Liberation Army, and others in the U.S.; not to mention the Bolsheviks in Russia, Mao Zhe Dong in China, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Kim Jong Il in North Korea, the FARC in Colombia, the Sendero Luminoso in Peru, The MIR in Chile, and other Leftist movements throughout the world that have used terrorism as a tactic. I think an objective tally would prove that both the Left and the Right are equal opportunity terrorists."<ref>''White Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism in Norway,'' Informed consent blog, posted on 07/23/2011</ref>
Others also cite evidence that liberalism is more prone to violence and terrorism. <ref>http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2010/03/16/liberal_violence_five_names_you_should_know/page/full</ref> <ref>http://pushbacknow.net/2011/01/16/history-of-liberal-violence</ref>
The New York Times (which Breivik references a few times in his manifesto) a ''Breivik and His Enablers'' opinion piece used the killing to implicate [[Sarah Palin]] with the attack on Representative [[Gabrielle Giffords]], while naming Republicans such as Republicans former House Speaker [[Newt Gingrich]] and Representative Peter King as "ideological fellow travelers" with Breivik, as well as "U.S. church pastors using their bully pulpits week after week to say America is a Christian nation under imminent threat from Islam." The columnists called such bigotry, while exhibiting his own bigotry against the latter group of people, linking them to the actions of Breivik, and a racist and murderous European right.<ref>Roger Cohen, ''Breivik and His Enablers,''July 25, 2011</ref>
At the least, liberal journalists charged that Breivik seems to have been motivated by the view of right versus wrong that animates the "Christian worldview," which pits Marxism, multiculturalism, Islam, etc. as enemies of God and truth,<ref>Sarah Pisner, ''How Breivik’s “Cultural Analysis” is Drawn from the “Christian Worldview”''</ref> while the same journalists fight against evangelical Christian faith, traditional morals and those who uphold them as being enemies of liberalism's deleterious social experiment that has cost America and the world greatly in souls, lives and money.<ref>[http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html Revealing Statistics: America in Decline; Present Costs of the War against God]</ref>
Others also cite evidence that liberalism is more prone to violence and terrorism. <ref>http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2010/03/16/liberal_violence_five_names_you_should_know/page/full</ref> <ref>http://pushbacknow.net/2011/01/16/history-of-liberal-violence</ref>
Many sources were quick to label Breivik a ''Christian Extremist'' a "Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections," or "Christian terrorist," based upon a Facebook and a Twitter account in which he identifies himself as a Christian and a conservative.
Many sources were quick to label Breivik a ''Christian Extremist'' a "Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections," or "Christian terrorist," based upon a Facebook and a Twitter account in which he identifies himself as a Christian and a conservative.
However, further research revealed that the Christianity of Breivik was that of a "cultural Christian," one that denied the necessity of the conversionary new birth (John 3:3) and its personal relationship with Christ. (p. 1307)
However, rather than being product of bible-preaching evangelical or fundamental preaching, which historically has taught that it is fundamentally contrary to Christ to engage in such killing as Breivik executed, further research revealed that the Christianity of Breivik was that of a "cultural Christian," one that denied the necessity of the conversionary new birth (John 3:3) and its personal relationship with Christ. (p. 1307)
Breivik also claimed to be an fan of some violent video games, and whose favorite television show was the serial killer show "Dexter."<ref>http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/07/christian-fundamentalist-charged-death-toll-norway-soars-past-90/40321</ref> He was also an advocate of performance enhancing drugs for his mission, and a somewhat advanced Mason.
In contrast to Islam the Christian community has been quick to condemn the attacks as being contrary to authentic Christianity. Gordon Showell-Rogers, Associate International Director of the World Evangelical Alliance (WEA), stated,
In contrast to Islam, the Christian community has been quick to condemn the attacks as being contrary to authentic Christianity. Gordon Showell-Rogers, Associate International Director of the World Evangelical Alliance (WEA), stated,
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"As Christians and Conservatives, we want to express solidarity with the victims of the attacks of July 22. The hate that is driving Islamic assassins and fanatic individuals a la...Breivik is foreign to Christians and Conservatives."
"As Christians and Conservatives, we want to express solidarity with the victims of the attacks of July 22. The hate that is driving Islamic assassins and fanatic individuals a la...Breivik is foreign to Christians and Conservatives."
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Norwegian minister. Olav Fykse Tveit, head of the World Council of Churches, representing 349 Protestant and Orthodox churches , told The Associated Press in response to the attack,
Norwegian minister. Olav Fykse Tveit, head of the World Council of Churches, representing 349 Protestant and Orthodox churches , told The Associated Press in response to the attack,
* the church exercising such to expand the physical territory of the church
* the church exercising such to expand the physical territory of the church
A possible exception might be in order to save others from being hurt in an immediate situation, but that is hardly a religious context. And historically, rather than religious violence, many Christian Evangelical “fundamentalist” groups have chosen to be complete pacifists, while acts such as the Crusades are seen to be the result of Biblical illiteracy and of men presuming a higher authority.
A possible exception might be in order to save others from being hurt in an immediate situation, but that is hardly a religious context. And historically, rather than religious violence, many Christian Evangelical “fundamentalist” groups have chosen to be complete pacifists, while acts such as the Crusades are seen to be the result of Biblical illiteracy and of men presuming a higher authority. This lead to the conclusion that those who assert that Breivik was acting consistent with the Bible may be potentially as dangerous as he is.<ref>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2752880/posts?page=32#32</ref>
Although Breivik valued Christian morality in general, and had a perverse hope of glorification as a martyr, yet much of the value he placed upon religion was for the practical purposes of fulfilling his mission.
While Breivik could express an lucid understanding of problems due to liberalism, he also evidenced various delusions, while his method of achieving a "a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage", (p. 1346) was itself immoral, and not in accordance with Scripture, as was much of his idea of a such a society itself.<ref>[http://www.christiantoday.com/article/just.how.christian.is.anders.behring.breivik/28334.htm ''Just how Christian is Anders Behring Breivik?,''] Christian Post, Tuesday, July 26, 2011</ref>
Breivik's goal seems to have been to bring about a repristinated Norway according to the memory of his youth and his interpretation of history, with a secular Christian but Catholic culture. He saw Islam as engaging in another invasion, this time by a birth rate far above that of the "indigenous" people, whom he compared to American Indians. His antipathy toward the Islamisation of Europe apparently had beginnings far earlier, as he states that he remembers Muslim gangs in the 90's "that systematically harassed, robbed and beat ethnic Norwegian youngsters who were unfortunate enough to not have the right affiliations." However, his best friend was a man named Arsalan who was a Pakistani. (1389)
Breivik's goal seems to have been to bring about a repristinated Norway according to the memory of his youth and his interpretation of history, with a secular Christian but Catholic culture. He saw Islam as engaging in another invasion, this time by a birth rate far above that of the "indigenous" people, whom he compared to American Indians. (p. 688) His antipathy toward the Islamisation of Europe apparently had beginnings far earlier, as he states that he remembers Muslim gangs in the 90's "that systematically harassed, robbed and beat ethnic Norwegian youngsters who were unfortunate enough to not have the right affiliations."
However, his best friend was a man named Arsalan who was a Pakistani, 1389)and Breivik also asserted. "I don't hate Muslims at all. I acknowledge that there are magnificent Muslim individuals in Europe. In fact, I have had several Muslim friends over the years, some of which I still respect. This does not mean however that I will accept an Islamic presence in Europe. Muslim individuals who do not assimilate 100% within 2020 will be deported as soon as we manage to seize power. Although I do admit that I am disgusted by the current development, I would rather say I'm driven by my love for Europe, European culture and all Europeans. This does not mean that I oppose diversity. But appreciating diversity does not mean that you support genocide of your own culture and people by accepting for example Islamic Demographic Warfare." (p. 1382)
Thus what Breivik was engaged in was a culture war, but his means of waging such was murderous like unto those of the Muslim extremists that he abhorred, and afforded him little moral high ground. And paradoxically, his manifesto, with its guide to waging war, may may provided Muslim terrorist and other violent radicals with improved tactics.
Breivik was from a broken home, but expressed that he had no "negative experiences in my childhood in any way," although he had "way too much freedom though if anything." But he stated that he did "not approve of the super-liberal, matriarchal upbringing though as it completely lacked discipline and has contributed to feminise me to a certain degree. He claimed that he had a good relationship with his four half siblings, and also had some very interesting conversations with his step brother's "super-feminist and quite radical Marxist girlfriend" where, he glibly recounts, "she almost physically strangled me." (p. 1387)
Breivik was from a broken home, but expressed that he had no "negative experiences in my childhood in any way," although he had "way too much freedom though if anything." But he stated that he did "not approve of the super-liberal, matriarchal upbringing though as it completely lacked discipline and has contributed to feminise me to a certain degree. He claimed that he had a good relationship with his four half siblings, and also had some very interesting conversations with his step brother's "super-feminist and quite radical Marxist girlfriend" where, he glibly recounts, "she almost physically strangled me." (p. 1387)
Breivik also stated that it was the Kosovo war under former President Bill Clinton that tipped the scales for him. "It was completely unacceptable the way the U.S. and Western European regimes bombed our Serbian brothers" he stared while also listing the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to an Islamic terrorist (Yasser Arafat) as events which strengthened his resolve. (p. 1379)
Although Breivik's legal disclaimer states that his manifesto is "a fictional account" by a "sci-fi writer" using a new writing style "that has the potential to shock the reader with an incredibly credible fictional plot (written in first, second and third person narrative), yet it seems apparent that the only part of the book intended to be fiction was his statement that "the author or distributor does not condone or agree with any of the descriptions or methods used in this book and the related chapters." (p. 767)
Although Breivik's legal disclaimer states that his manifesto is "a fictional account" by a "sci-fi writer" using a new writing style "that has the potential to shock the reader with an incredibly credible fictional plot (written in first, second and third person narrative), yet it seems apparent that the only part of the book intended to be fiction was his statement that "the author or distributor does not condone or agree with any of the descriptions or methods used in this book and the related chapters." (p. 767)
However, it man be speculated that Breivik's lack of distinction between fiction and reality was fostered by his indulgence in computer games. The pretense of writing fiction perhaps also allowed him to advocate and plan things that more objectively and rationally he might have not engaged in. In addition to the calculated killing, in dealing with the need for absolutely committed comrades, he stated that,
However, it man be speculated that Breivik's lack of distinction between fiction and reality was fostered by his indulgence in computer games. The pretense of writing fiction perhaps also allowed him to advocate and plan things that more objectively and rationally he might have not engaged in. In addition to the calculated killing, in dealing with the need for absolutely committed comrades, he stated that,
"The difference between an agent and a Justiciar Knight is that the latter will be willing to make a great sacrifice for the purpose of proper validation. Now what kind of sacrifice would be great enough to remove all doubt that the candidate is not a EU/US agent? A Justiciar Knight is willing to martyr himself for the cause while a EU/US agent will not be willing to sacrifice much. The entity should demand that the alleged Justiciar Knight in question surgically remove his penis and testicles and/or execute a fixed number of civilian children. While this requirement seems morbid, absurd and unreasonable, it is perhaps the most effective method of confirming the intentions of an individual. (p. 960)
"The difference between an agent and a Justiciar Knight is that the latter will be willing to make a great sacrifice for the purpose of proper validation. Now what kind of sacrifice would be great enough to remove all doubt that the candidate is not a EU/US agent? A Justiciar Knight is willing to martyr himself for the cause while a EU/US agent will not be willing to sacrifice much. The entity should demand that the alleged Justiciar Knight in question surgically remove his penis and testicles and/or execute a fixed number of civilian children. While this requirement seems morbid, absurd and unreasonable, it is perhaps the most effective method of confirming the intentions of an individual. (p. 960)
==References==
==References==