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::Right. #1 then. Okay, thanks. [[User:MrMorganH|MrMorganH]] 09:37, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
 
::Right. #1 then. Okay, thanks. [[User:MrMorganH|MrMorganH]] 09:37, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
 
I'd hardly call the crusades a defence against Islamic invasion. While Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike see Jerusalem and the surrounding areas as the holy land, the Islamic Kingdoms of the time had had control of the area for a very long time before the Crusades. All territorial claims aside, by any technical definition of the word, it was a Christian invasion. I think this is somewhat of a grey area, and is easily up for debate. [[User:NSmyth|NSmyth]] 15:31, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
 
I'd hardly call the crusades a defence against Islamic invasion. While Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike see Jerusalem and the surrounding areas as the holy land, the Islamic Kingdoms of the time had had control of the area for a very long time before the Crusades. All territorial claims aside, by any technical definition of the word, it was a Christian invasion. I think this is somewhat of a grey area, and is easily up for debate. [[User:NSmyth|NSmyth]] 15:31, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
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:Not a defense against an Islamic invasion? Do you know how much of Christian Europe was conquered by Islamic hordes before we pushed them back? I suggest you read about the Reconquista and more generally about the period from the collapse of the Western Empire to the high middle ages. It's a period little taught but most rewarding of study. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 15:49, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
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