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*I would love to see your citations, Sid! Your whole argument is, that this place isn't a private site, and somehow belongs, ultimately, to the Users, and all decisions are ultimately made by them. Interesting concept. I understood the place to be private, and started upon the idea of the HomeSchoolers. As I said above: "If one cannot make that leap of faith, they are perhaps at the wrong site." I would amend that to say, probably at the wrong site. --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TerryK]] <sup>[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]</sup> 20:56, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
*I would love to see your citations, Sid! Your whole argument is, that this place isn't a private site, and somehow belongs, ultimately, to the Users, and all decisions are ultimately made by them. Interesting concept. I understood the place to be private, and started upon the idea of the HomeSchoolers. As I said above: "If one cannot make that leap of faith, they are perhaps at the wrong site." I would amend that to say, probably at the wrong site. --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TerryK]] <sup>[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]</sup> 20:56, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
::I would love to see you pointing out what sentences need citations, Sysop-TerryK!
::My point is, this is a wiki. People sign up and post. They invest their free time into it and build a community project. Simply telling them that there are no clear rules about acceptable content and that they should just edit until they get slapped by a sysop is a bit... unprofessional. But I just LOOOOOOOOOVE how you instantly swap into extremes again to make me look like some sort of ultra-democracy guy who completely rejects any sort of leadership. You seem to be quite good at it!
::Look. Seriously now. Take a look at how the real world works. The real world has a set of clear, basic rules, and people act according to those rules. When you come to a red traffic light, walk over it and almost get run over, there will be conflict. What do you do? Do you call President Bush to resolve the conflict? Or a senator? Or the cops? You usually won't. There are clear and well-known rules that say "DON'T DO THAT, DUDE!". You and the guy who almost ran you over are fully capable of resolving the conflict without the need for authority. And even if the conflict goes on, other people around you could join the discussion before anybody has to call the police.
::The same practice has been established on Wikipedia. Specific rules are continuously discussed and occasionally refined to adapt to developments on the wiki in general. Rules like "Reliable Sources" or "NPOV" cover what is acceptable in terms of content and citations. People can (and should) read these rules and act according to them.
::Your approach basically is to have as very few rules that are also very fuzzy and not terribly clear. Then you come up with the "If in doubt, turn to authority" rule. This might work on a small forum, but not on an open wiki. There are 30 or so sysops in total to monitor a few THOUSAND articles for violations of rules only you "know" (read: make up and enforce on a case-by-case basis). Do you see the flaw in your approach? Given a few more active editors, your entire construct will immediately collapse under an accidental Denial-Of-Service attack - everybody will poke the sysops over effectively the same x questions.
::And even if all admins suddenly turn into super-humans, results will depend on which sysop gets consulted. Without clear rules, you will most likely make different decisions than Hoji, for example. Andy will make different decisions than Ed. There will be no consistency.
::Another difficulty of the lack of rules is a sort of Chilling Effect. If I make a major contribution to an article that cost me HOURS to write and research, I have no way of properly predicting whether or not it will be vaped for some reason (or simply because a sysop has personal interest in not letting that sort of edit through). With such a 50/50 chance on edits, few will bother to actually do the work. --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 21:23, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
== how do u apply to be an admin?? ==
== how do u apply to be an admin?? ==