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:::Alright, so ONE PERSON--who is never identified as a liberal or as having any other political ideology--wrote a thesis THIRTY YEARS ago which she has SINCE DISAVOWED. Where is the support for your contention? Did you read as far as the part where it says "Now, having written several books on the economics of marriage, Grossbard says, "I know better."." Try again. Also, for it to be a true "liberal" touchstone, like gay marriage is, it needs to have at least the semblance of a critical mass behind it. there is a difference between "liberal" and "isolated crank." [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 18:56, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
 
:::Alright, so ONE PERSON--who is never identified as a liberal or as having any other political ideology--wrote a thesis THIRTY YEARS ago which she has SINCE DISAVOWED. Where is the support for your contention? Did you read as far as the part where it says "Now, having written several books on the economics of marriage, Grossbard says, "I know better."." Try again. Also, for it to be a true "liberal" touchstone, like gay marriage is, it needs to have at least the semblance of a critical mass behind it. there is a difference between "liberal" and "isolated crank." [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 18:56, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
 
:I'm sick of arguing, all you want to do is talk.  Have it your way, I'm going to contribute rather than argue. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 19:10, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
 
:I'm sick of arguing, all you want to do is talk.  Have it your way, I'm going to contribute rather than argue. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 19:10, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
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::Craig overstates his case, but the current language is insufficient as well.  The point that is being lost is that the conservative definition is Biblically based.  The liberal definition has no absolute basis, so it can change at will.  Liberals used to disavow gay marriage as well, but that changed.  Now that the liberal definition of marriage has been divorced from the Bible, what's to stop child marriage, or marriage of more than two persons, or ...? [[User:JamieM|JamieM]] 21:31, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
    
==Minutemen==
 
==Minutemen==
 
I would love to see documentation that proves that liberals ignore minutemen. I'm as liberal as they come and I've never once doubted the importance of the minutemen in the Revolution.
 
I would love to see documentation that proves that liberals ignore minutemen. I'm as liberal as they come and I've never once doubted the importance of the minutemen in the Revolution.
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