Talk:Second Amendment

VIRGINIA TECH

So - is NOW a good time to discuss things like waiting periods (I beleive Virginia has none), conceal laws(Virginia lets you do that) and other such unpleasantries???? Jacobin

It's all simpering Liberal nonsense. If those students had ALL been packing heat, one of them could have taken him down before he killed too many people! --BobD 20:35, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

One guy got mad at me once and socked me in the jaw. Glad he wasn't "packing heat". Human 20:41, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

Yes. Im sure everyone knows how moody students can be - particually after a breakup. Having lots of readily-available guns anywhere near them is just asking for one to be pulled on impulse. Or for fun. Or to show off. Or stolen. Arming the teachers is a slightly better idea, but there is still to much potential for guns to fall into student hands unless the gun-locker security is made so tight it would be difficult to get the guns out in time if they were actually needed.

I have met two people who died of bullet wounds. One was a very unhappy person, a good friend to many people I know. he bought a gun. specially for the purpose. and killed himself on Hampton Beach NH one night.

Another person I knew worked at a restaurant/bar/place I went to every Monday night to see this great band they used to get. he was a line cook. he bought, I think, a 9mm thingie. he used to swing it around, play with it drunk. he, i guess made a mistake. he pointed it at this other guy who worked there after hours one night and pulled the trigger thing. BANG the other guy is dead. he's dead. he willnever get to knwo any of things that we idly type about this night or any other. the dumb@ss guy with the gun who didn't know how to handle it (not drunk!) is in jail. ok, that's my story, no caps on purpose due to the sadness of these things. i don't have any stories of HEROES with guns killing crazy people. just two dead guys. Human 01:10, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Wow, Human, that's pretty heavy stuff. I'm totally with you on gun control. All the way. I'm sorry you've lost two people who you knew well.-AmesG_yo! 01:11, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Heavy? It's just dead people! Here, they love dead people! Guns for everyone! KILL KILL KILL

These people think they love Jesus. I love Jesus, I think he was great dude. jesus (uncaps intentional for once) was not a killer. not a gun dude. there's a great divide coming for this site, which I have already outlined somewhere. Mr. Andrew Schlafly, Esq., trial lawyer but bad writer, is gonna get his in the press. Even though his little blog makes him feel good now. And, thank you for your sympathy & tea. Yeah, those were tough times. How do you move on from that? Human 02:06, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

When considering this, the most important question is a comparison: Would the number of lives saved by reducing the severity of crazy shoters be greater than the number of lives lost to increased rates of gun-related accidents or abuse? I would guess no - student breakdowns like the VT incident are very rare, while cases of student stupidity are not. - Suricou

And I thought we had that discussion after Columbine. I've seen on this site alone what strange things people think about weapons of personal destruction (see above) Maybe next time? Human 20:41, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

This article is difficult to read

I am not a fan of the format of this article, big long sections made of short paragraphs can be difficult to read. I'd like to see more people reading and learning about the importance of guns (for more than just home protection and hunting, which are cop out reasons as I see them). --EmersonW 20:30, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm glad you took the initiative to post your concerns on this talk page, EmersonW. The corresponding article is not locked, so you may edit the section(s) that you feel may not be "readable". Jallen 20:44, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Too many categories

Since TAR created the Second Amendment category, I will place this article in that one. If that one is a subcategory of Bill of Rights, is a subcat of Constitution etc we have it covered in the category tree. Thanks, Wschact 07:01, 7 February 2015 (EST)

Second Amendment question regarding the French Revolution

Hi.

I need to ask something regarding the Second Amendment.

I'm a pro-second amendment kind of guy, at least in regards to the right to defend themselves. Let's face it, we need to defend ourselves against enemies anyways. However, can someone explain in full detail what is the difference between the second amendment, the right to bear arms in other words, from, say, what the French Revolutionaries did during the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror. While I may be pro-second amendment, I can't say I'm not wary of it, because I fear that the second amendment may give some people the excuse to do something like use a shotgun on someone condemned to die by a show trial with the crowds laughing at the victim bleeding out. In other words, I need something clearly stated regarding whether there is indeed a difference between the two, something that's unfortunately not covered in the article (it doesn't even mention the French Revolution at all, which is a massive problem since Marat's Cordeliers club according to this very wiki was inspired by our founding documents). For a good idea of what I'm getting at, here's what I'm referring to:

"The "moderates" [of the French Revolutionaries] fared just as badly. Cities like Lyon, Toulon and Bordeaux, which were led by the Girondists against the Jacobins, were partially leveled and their inhabitants decimated. When the guillotining threatened to go too slowly, many victims were drowned and others were executed with shotguns, so that the crowds could revel in seeing them slowly bleed to death. (Napoleon, a Jacobin, and close friend of Robespierre, achieved his first victory by subduing "unruly" Toulon.)" Emphasis mine

Source: http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/Fidelity_archives/parricide.html

Another thing I need clarification on, on a related note, is whether the second amendment matches up with essentially what Ocelot here was talking about here: https://youtu.be/zlPTJQF-3X0?t=75 Especially his bit about the wild west, because the implications of what he was stating were... less than pleasant, even if it was slightly better than the Patriots plan of absolute gun control. Pokeria1 (talk) 12:21, 29 October 2016 (EDT)

Ah, hello? I kinda need those answers soon if not now, because I'm still unsure of the difference, and I genuinely need to know the difference. Pokeria1 (talk) 20:40, 27 November 2016 (EST)