Talk:Science of global warming
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- Please refrain from wholesale editing, rollbacks, re-directs. Adding pertinent information is encouraged, however please discuss here first before major changes are implemented. It does not do the site a service to keep making drastic changes, then having someone else roll them back ten minutes later! Will will start with the basic FACT that the Earth does appear to be in a warming cycle, and that its natural occurrence is aggravated by man's burning of fossil fuels in increasing amounts. It is simply not a proven fact, among a preponderance of scientists that warming cycles are only caused by Humans. In any event, from what I have read by the most alarmist backers like Al Gore, all mediating efforts that we could undertake, cannot and will not reverse what they claim is going to happen. So, we should treat this as a theory, and one that is at least as much a political item as one of Natural Science. --~ Sysop-TK Talk2Me! 21:58, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
Solar variation and global warming
A recently published study discounts this. The full text of the study can be found in http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070702/full/448008a.html . For those that lack a subscription to Nature, various journalists commenting on the article: [1] [2] [3] [4] . I hope that this material can be properly integrated into the main article. --Mtur 14:02, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
And a link to the article published at the Royal Society [5] --Mtur 14:09, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
Controversy over the facts
Despite the simple view above (pun intended! ;-) there is substantial controversy over what the facts are. The United Nations climate panel initially agreed with the scientific consensus about longterm temperature variation, i.e., the existence of the Medieval Climate Optimum and the Little Ice Age. A few years later, they decided to drop the facts in favor of Mann's hockey stick graph.
Another way of stating it is that they decided to make an issue about what the facts were. The UN created a controversy over what the facts are. That is what is meant by terms such as "controversial facts". It's not the facts themselves which are controversial, as I'm sure all liberals know, but whether the reported facts are actual facts. Those who pretend not to understand this have no standing in this discussion.
In fact, those who aren't interested in improving the article should instead voice their views at Debate:Is there any evidence for the global warming theory? and stop bothering the rest of us here. --Ed Poor Talk 14:36, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
Until the section on Al Gore has better sources, it needs to be deleted
The whole section echoes this article by James M. Taylor. At the bottom it states he's a member of the Heartland institute. It's been consistently proven the Heartland Institute is funded by Exxonmobil 123. I mean, I'm pretty loyal to the guy who signs my checks. --hoboace
References
A number of the later refererences don't use the regular reference format so they show up under the References section. It may be wise to convert these for consistency with the rest of the article. Learn together 17:44, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
- We could try right now as we're both on and probably some of the only ones up. ;-) It shouldn't take long. Learn together 23:49, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
Lead sentence suggestion
The article leads with "The global warming warming issue ..." I don't think the second 'warming' adds anything. Of course, I would suggest that saying that Global Warming "is mainly used to justify support for the Kyoto Protocol" does not summarize this complex issue best. I might say "The global warming issue is a political battle over the possible anthropomorphic influence on recent anomalies in the Earth's average temperature". âThe preceding unsigned comment was added by Gantczak (talk)
Ed Poor
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