Talk:Matthew Shepard
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--Incide 12:26, 17 December 2007 (EST)Could it be that guys who'd brutally murdered someone might just lie about their motives to avoid being charged with a hate crime? Maestro 13:59, 14 November 2007 (EST)
I'm almost looking forward to reading about a bunch of gay dudes that murder a straight guy because he is straight and see how quickly right-wingers pull out the 'hate crime' card.
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- Check out Mary Stachowicz.--Aschlafly 18:41, 11 December 2007 (EST)
- HA! I knew it. Still, I really can't see this as being a hate crime. He didn't kill her because she was straight, he killed her because he had "issues". It looks as if he would have killer her if she continuously told him not to eat cheeseburgers (and inane example I know but I'm trying to prove a point.) Had he randomly picked her out of a crowd as being staright and killed her for that, then it would be a hate crime--beyond any shadow of a doubt. But savagely murdering someone because she disagreed with his sexuality is indicative of something far more serious.--Incide 09:28, 13 December 2007 (EST)
- So the issues didn't involve hate at all? Did he kill her out of love? Karajou 09:44, 13 December 2007 (EST)
- That is asinine! Of course he hated her. But he hated her. Her the person. Her the person that ragged on him all the time for being gay. Does her sexuality come into play? Yes. But inasmuch as it was one of the driving forces behind her nagging along with her 'religious devotion'. Had that not occured and he not be as "troubled" as he is, this would not have happened.--Incide 10:01, 14 December 2007 (EST)
- What you're implying is when someone who is GAY kills someone straight it is not a hate crime, but it IS A HATE CRIME when someone straight kills the gay person. Karajou 10:49, 14 December 2007 (EST)
- No. clearly, you've misunderstood what i wrote. but i'm guessing that there is very little i can do to convince you otherwise.
- A question, then. If the roles were reversed. If a gay person who tried to "convert" a straight person (putting aside your archaic view of morality for just a moment because i know that it will come into play) and the straight person kills the gay person: whould THAT be a hate crime? Or would the straight person be justified?
- What you're implying is when someone who is GAY kills someone straight it is not a hate crime, but it IS A HATE CRIME when someone straight kills the gay person. Karajou 10:49, 14 December 2007 (EST)
- That is asinine! Of course he hated her. But he hated her. Her the person. Her the person that ragged on him all the time for being gay. Does her sexuality come into play? Yes. But inasmuch as it was one of the driving forces behind her nagging along with her 'religious devotion'. Had that not occured and he not be as "troubled" as he is, this would not have happened.--Incide 10:01, 14 December 2007 (EST)