Talk:Suicide

This needs some clarification, but I'm drawing a blank on how to do so. Killing oneself is not always suicide. For example, jumping on a grenade to save fellow soldiers is (in the case of mortal injury) killing oneself, but this isn't considered suicide. Any suggestions? ColinR 20:44, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

• Killing oneself is always suicide. According to Durkheim, a famous sociologist, he states that there are four different types of suicides. The example you mention above would be defined as altruistic suicide because it is killing oneself for the good of others.

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although some radical Islamic Mullahs (teachers) claim that if it is committed as part of a religious war, the suicide will be rewarded in Paradise.

Too controversial for such an off-hand reference. Should be more than a subordinate clause. --Ed Poor 11:54, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Self-sacrifice and self-destruction

Jumping on a grenade is not generally considered "suicide" but an act of self-sacrifice. However, storming a pill box has been described as a "suicidal charge".

Okay, let's get into it. Were the Japanese kamikaze "suicide bombers"? Is strapping yourself with explosives, entering a crowded bus or restaurant and detonating them an "murder-suicide" or what? --Ed Poor 11:57, 5 April 2007 (EDT)