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:::Technically, yes. Section 1, Title 4 of the US code specifies advisory rules (there is not specified penalty)  for the display of the American flag, but these rules are routinely violated. Many people (military personnel, police and firemen are exempt) for example, wear the American flag or a representation of it, as an article of apparel in violation of the code (keep this in mind during the next frew-fraw over "I'm more patriotic than you cuz I have a flag pin!").
 
:::Technically, yes. Section 1, Title 4 of the US code specifies advisory rules (there is not specified penalty)  for the display of the American flag, but these rules are routinely violated. Many people (military personnel, police and firemen are exempt) for example, wear the American flag or a representation of it, as an article of apparel in violation of the code (keep this in mind during the next frew-fraw over "I'm more patriotic than you cuz I have a flag pin!").
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:::The code also states that the flag should never have words or letters attached or placed on it, so in that respect, Conservapedia's logo violates Section 1, Title 4 of the US Code. However, as I have already noted. There is no penalty attached to this. [http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title4/chapter1_.html]--[[User:JBoley|JBoley]] 11:21, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
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::::Section 8(j), Title 4 of the US Code states: "No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart." [[User:Spiritsoar|Spiritsoar]] 23:25, 6 January 2011 (EST)
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:::The code also states that the flag should never have words or letters attached or placed on it, so in that respect, Conservapedia's logo violates Section 1, Title 4 of the US Code. However, as I have already noted, there is no penalty attached to this. [http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title4/chapter1_.html]--[[User:JBoley|JBoley]] 11:21, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
  
 
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This code is only valid within the District of Columbia. It is a FEDERAL CODE only valid if you are a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE or live as a resident in the District of Columbia. It doesn't apply to any citizen of the fifty states who all have their own particular flag codes. Firstly, Conservapedia is based in the U.S.A. which is an open society and doesn't exclude the viewpoints of people from other countries. Secondly, there is no implication of exclusion by the Conservapedia logo that would label any U.S. Citizen un-American. There is something in the U.S.A. called freedom of speech which allows U.S. Citizens to make comments that may make them appear to be free from any single official viewpoint and still be considered an American. This whole attempt to want to change the Conservapedia logo sounds more like a reason to get rid of the American flag of the United States. Perhaps it is too jingoistic? Maybe a logo more representative of the global community would be more suitable? No, I think they got it right with the current one being used now.--[[User:Roopilots6|Roopilots6]] 10:44, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
 
This code is only valid within the District of Columbia. It is a FEDERAL CODE only valid if you are a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE or live as a resident in the District of Columbia. It doesn't apply to any citizen of the fifty states who all have their own particular flag codes. Firstly, Conservapedia is based in the U.S.A. which is an open society and doesn't exclude the viewpoints of people from other countries. Secondly, there is no implication of exclusion by the Conservapedia logo that would label any U.S. Citizen un-American. There is something in the U.S.A. called freedom of speech which allows U.S. Citizens to make comments that may make them appear to be free from any single official viewpoint and still be considered an American. This whole attempt to want to change the Conservapedia logo sounds more like a reason to get rid of the American flag of the United States. Perhaps it is too jingoistic? Maybe a logo more representative of the global community would be more suitable? No, I think they got it right with the current one being used now.--[[User:Roopilots6|Roopilots6]] 10:44, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
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:The use of the flag is obviously NOT a violation of the flag code. Many pro sports teams use the flag on their uniforms to show love of god and country. Do not try to eliminate the US flag from America. If the NFL can use the American flag to help players play better, why can't Conservapedia use it to help people think better ? It makes no sense.[[User:Joseph1111|Joseph1111]] 09:06, 9 December 2009 (EST)Joseph1111

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Being a member of the Civil Air Patrol, I know the Flag Code pretty well. After skimming over it again today, I saw what may have been a breach of Section I, Title IV of the United States Code (Flag Code). I think that being a pro-American website, we should take care not to desecrate the Colors of the United States. --User:Capercorn Talk contribs 16:05, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Link to section of Flag Code in question: [1]. --User:Capercorn Talk contribs 16:05, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but

Technically it would seem that the CP logo would be in violation, but I wouldn't expect an outcry of condemnation over it. This topic brings up two different questions regarding the logo I've recalled seeing elsewhere on CP.
- First, is the concept of "conservative" here such that it's a distinctly American perspective, or one that could be shared worldwide. Some significant contributors like Philip J Rayment are from other countries, and their views express conservativism without being American.
- Second, the use of the flag scheme in the CP logo seems to imply that being Conservative is American and that somehow being non-conservative is being un-American (it comes across that way in some comments here, anyway).
That said, it would be an interesting project/assignment for the homeschoolers who contribute to CP to have a competition to design an alternate CP logo that does not use the U.S. Flag in its theme, but conveys the ideals of being a Conservative in a more direct way instead. It doesn't have to necessarily replace the current CP logo unless folks want it to, but it would be a great opportunity to see how the kids express what being Conservative means to them. --DinsdaleP 13:59, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
Technically, yes. Section 1, Title 4 of the US code specifies advisory rules (there is not specified penalty) for the display of the American flag, but these rules are routinely violated. Many people (military personnel, police and firemen are exempt) for example, wear the American flag or a representation of it, as an article of apparel in violation of the code (keep this in mind during the next frew-fraw over "I'm more patriotic than you cuz I have a flag pin!").
Section 8(j), Title 4 of the US Code states: "No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart." Spiritsoar 23:25, 6 January 2011 (EST)
The code also states that the flag should never have words or letters attached or placed on it, so in that respect, Conservapedia's logo violates Section 1, Title 4 of the US Code. However, as I have already noted, there is no penalty attached to this. [2]--JBoley 11:21, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

NO

This code is only valid within the District of Columbia. It is a FEDERAL CODE only valid if you are a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE or live as a resident in the District of Columbia. It doesn't apply to any citizen of the fifty states who all have their own particular flag codes. Firstly, Conservapedia is based in the U.S.A. which is an open society and doesn't exclude the viewpoints of people from other countries. Secondly, there is no implication of exclusion by the Conservapedia logo that would label any U.S. Citizen un-American. There is something in the U.S.A. called freedom of speech which allows U.S. Citizens to make comments that may make them appear to be free from any single official viewpoint and still be considered an American. This whole attempt to want to change the Conservapedia logo sounds more like a reason to get rid of the American flag of the United States. Perhaps it is too jingoistic? Maybe a logo more representative of the global community would be more suitable? No, I think they got it right with the current one being used now.--Roopilots6 10:44, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

The use of the flag is obviously NOT a violation of the flag code. Many pro sports teams use the flag on their uniforms to show love of god and country. Do not try to eliminate the US flag from America. If the NFL can use the American flag to help players play better, why can't Conservapedia use it to help people think better ? It makes no sense.Joseph1111 09:06, 9 December 2009 (EST)Joseph1111
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