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:You either can't read or are just playing stupid now. I just cited above CCC 2068 "'''the [[Ten Commandments]] are obligatory'''". Get thee behind me, Satan. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 13:44, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

::In saying '''''that''''', you are asserting that we are freed from the law forbidding worship of other gods, that we don't have to worship God at all, that we are free to make idols of [[Other gods|other (pagan) gods]], free to blaspheme the name of God, free to work every single day so as not to attend to worship of God at any time or regard any day as holy to the Lord and not rest or allow anyone else to rest from crushing compulsive labor, free to dishonor our fathers and mothers and do nothing good to them or for them or help them in any way, free to kill as we please and maim and murder anyone, free to commit adultery and sexual perversions of any kind, free to steal anything from anyone at any time anywhere, free to commit perjury in court when summoned to testify in order to destroy the innocent by supporting a false conviction leading to a sentence of wrongful imprisonment or execution, free to covet what others have by hating their benefits and advantages that belong only to them as their rightful possession and dignity and to no one else, free to try to deprive them of their spouse, their employees and servants, their livestock, and anything that is theirs. <br> You are saying no Christian is under any obligation to avoid these sins because the Christian is not under the law of condemnation for sins committed and therefore is free to do as he pleases. That's the evil counsel of [[Antinomianism]] and immorally corrupt [[Licentiousness]]. I've already shown that Paul himself condemns this whole idea. We are not to yield ourselves to wickedness. He made this clear in Romans 8: "''To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.''" (verse 6). John says the same thing: {{quotation|"''Little children, let no one deceive you. He who does right is righteous, as he is righteous. He who commits sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning.''" To rebel against the law of God is Satanic. Peter also says about all disobedient and licentious [[Libertinism|libertines]] who obey no law and acknowledge no authority outside themselves, "the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trial, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and '''despise authority'''. Bold and wilful, they are not afraid to revile the glorious ones [saints and angels], whereas angels, though greater in might and power [than they], do not pronounce a reviling judgment upon them before the Lord. But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and killed, reviling in matters of which they are ignorant, will be destroyed in the same destruction with them, suffering wrong for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their dissipation, carousing with you. They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! Forsaking the right way they have gone astray; they have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, but was rebuked for his own transgression; a dumb ass spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness. These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm; for them the nether gloom of darkness has been reserved. For, uttering loud boasts of folly, they entice with licentious passions of the flesh men who have barely escaped from those who live in error. '''They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption; for whatever overcomes a man, to that he is enslaved. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.''' It has happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog turns back to his own vomit, and the sow is '''washed''' only to wallow in the mire (sewage).}}You condemn the Ten Commandments. '''''That's wrong.''''' We are not free to sin. We must obey righteousness, as expressed in the law of God about righteousness and the doctrine of the church. Your "gospel of grace" as you define it gives liberty to sin. But the "yoke" of Christ sets free from the bondage of sin, and purifies us from all unrighteousness by the power of the grace of his sacraments administered by Him through his body the church, the pillar and foundation of the truth, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 14:51, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

:The Roman church's rejection of grace and reversion back under law is not just serious error, it is a rejection of the [[New Covenant]] entirely. Hence, you are under a curse, as God says. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 13:59, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

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