:The Roman church's rejection of grace and reversion back under law is not just serious error, it is a rejection of the [[New Covenant]] entirely. Hence, you are under a curse, as God says. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:59, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
::Both sides of the Debate on this page and the Talk page have made abundantly clear the irreconcilable differences in the doctrines of grace , and in the doctrines of the authority of the church. <br> I have said all that is necessary to help expose the nature of both. <br>Christians are not under the law of Moses, but are under what Paul calls the law of Christ as realized in the authority of the Catholic Church to preach and teach the law of righteousness in the doing of '''[[Corporal and spiritual works of mercy|good works]]''' as the law of God, and the dire consequences of refusal to act righteously, justly, mercifully and godly, in opposition to the love of God. (Micah 6:8). At the heart of the debate is the issue of [[Free will]]. The real threat of actual judgment is in reality a mercy from God who is not willing that any should perish. (A '''godly''' fear and terror of judgment, by the grace of God.) It can actually help bring the non-Christian sinner to repentance and salvation through Christ Jesus alone, and bring back the Christian sinner from the error of his way and save him from death (James 5:19-20). We can obey for the love of God, joyfully and wholeheartedly because it is right and just to do so, and knowing the Lord is truly worthy of all our love; or we can obey because it is right to do so, out of fear of the righteous judgment of God, maybe reluctantly, or even compulsorily for the sake of survival, feeling that there really is no alternative or acceptable choice, because we do fear the loss of heaven and the everlasting pains of hell, knowing that God who is merciful and just and righteous and holy commands doing what is right, so we firmly resolve not to do anything evil or sinful as far as possible; or we can refuse, and "''break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us''" (Psalm 2:3), because "now there is no condemnation", and suffer the consequences for our boldness in the face of God's sovereign Lordship as if rebelling against a tyrant. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 15:20, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
:::Well, that's interesting, cause that now puts you at odds with the official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:31, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
::::Not at all. The law of Christ as I have relatively expressed it is a brief summary of the official doctrine of the ''Catechism of the Catholic Church'', beginning with [http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a1.htm Part Three, Section One, Chaper Three, Article 1: '''The Moral Law'''] <br> I have nothing else to add to this Debate. Peace be with you. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 16:05, 28 August 2020 (EDT)