*'''Acts 19:2''' - ''“Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”''
However Roman Catholic catechism teaches that grace and salvation is earned, and that the Holy spirit is given through water baptism.
*'''CCC 2010''' - “Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, '''we can then merit for ourselves''' and for others '''the graces needed''' for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and '''for the attainment of eternal life.'''<ref>http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm#2010</ref>
:::[[Falsehood|False]]. CCC 2010: "''no one can merit the initial grace'' of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion." (CCC 1996-2011)<br>Your "water baptism" comment is a [[misrepresentation]], by carefully omitting an important teaching of the Bible. In '''Acts 19:1-6''' Paul explained why John's water baptism was insufficient (vv.4-5). John's baptism, though it required repentance, yet looked '''''forward''''' to the coming of the One for whom John was a forerunner (Jesus). '''Jesus had not yet died''' when John baptized people. His was a baptism of '''''preparation''''' looking forward to Jesus' death. "Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard ''this'', they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." This shows that John's water baptism unto repentance cannot be the water baptism which Jesus commanded people to receive under the gospel (Matthew 28:19). Christians are baptized into his death, burial, and resurrection (Romans 6:4; Colossians 2:12) "by the washing of water by the word" (Ephesians 5:26). John's disciples were not. So then they were baptized by Paul.<ref>See https://www.gospelway.com/topics/salvation/baptism-john.php The Baptism of John the Baptist, David E. Pratte. <br> See also ''Catechism of the Catholic Church'' CCC 1213-1228.</ref> --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 06:36, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
::::We've been over this a dozen times. The gospel was preached to Israel in the wilderness. King David had the Holy Spirit. [[Job]] was "perfect and upright." Zacharias and Elisabeth were both "righteous before God", as was [[Abel]]. Simeon (Luke 2:25) was "just and devout". In all these cases '''Jesus had not yet died''' either. There is only one way a sinner can be declared righteous before God.<ref>Question:
The Roman Catholic catechism teaches that the Holy spirit is given through water baptism.
*'''CCC 1999''' - “infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism.”
*'''CCC 2010''' - “Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, '''we can then merit for ourselves''' and for others '''the graces needed''' for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and '''for the attainment of eternal life.'''<ref>http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm#2010</ref>
*'''Isaiah 28:14''' - '' '''we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves'''