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'''Fossils''' are preserved remains of once-living organisms.<ref>Wile, Dr. Jay L. ''Exploring Creation With Biology''. Apologia Educational Ministries, Inc. 1998</ref> They are usually formed when mineral-rich water makes its way into the deceased being's body. The minerals within the water aggregate within the spaces within the body and solidify. Once the organism's tissues have dissolved away, all that is left behind is a rock mold of the creature's shape.  The fossil record [[evolution|supports creation science and not the evolutionary view]].  
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'''Fossils''' are preserved remains of once-living organisms.<ref>Wile, 1998</ref> They are usually formed when mineral-rich water makes its way into the organism's body. The minerals within the water aggregate within the spaces within the body and solidify. Once the organism's tissues have dissolved away, all that is left behind is a rock mold of the creature's shape.
  
== Evolutionist View ==
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== Fossil record ==
  
Scientists often use fossils to evaluate the [[Theory of evolution|theory of evolution]]. They record the [[species]] that they find and compare them to living species in order to create a [[fossil record]] of life of Earth.<ref>Geologic Time: [http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/radiometric.html "Radiometric time scale"]</ref><ref>The Virtual [http://www.fossilmuseum.net Fossil Museum"]</ref>
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[[Young Earth creationism|Biblical creationists]] (such as Gary E. Parker, creationist pastor)<ref>[http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c006.html What does the fossil record teach us about evolution?], [[Christian Answers]], accessed [[2009-05-03]]</ref><ref>[http://homepage.ntlworld.com/philipg/detectives/anderson.html Books by Gary E. Parker], May be confused with another Gary E. Parker (Christian author), a Christian author.</ref> see most of the fossil record as a record of the burial of creatures during [[great Flood|Noah's Flood]], wherein the creatures dwelling on the seafloor were buried first, then other marine creatures, [[amphibian]]s, slow-moving reptiles, faster-moving mammals and birds, and finally, humans, the most able to escape the floodwaters the longest.
  
Scientists use a process known as [[radiometric dating]] to determine the age of the fossils. Radiometric dating is a technique in which scientists observe the amount of an elemental [[isotope]] within the fossil, then use the rate at which the isotope is presumed to decay to calculate when the organism died. There are a number of different methods, some of which claim to be able to date a specimen that died up to three billion years ago.<ref>Georgia Perimeter College - Historical Geology: [http://www.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/geo102/radio.htm "Radiometric Dating"]</ref> Since individual radiometric methods are independent they can be cross-check with each other to reduce error.
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[[Atheist]]ic [[Paleontology|paleontologists]],<ref>[http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/help/timeform.html Web Geological Time Machine], [[University of California]] - [[Berkeley, California|Berkeley]], [[Museum]] of [[Paleontology]], accessed [[2009-05-03]]</ref> [[Geology|geologists]] and [[evolution]]ists believe that the fossil record is a record of the evolution of life on Earth, with the oldest fossils, those of the earliest and simplest creatures, being at the base of the fossil record, and more recent and more advanced creatures higher up. This assumes no folding or bending of the geological strata.
  
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== Dating fossils ==
  
In some fossils "organic matter" has been found.  This is often used by creationists to claim that fossils are not very old. The "organic matter" is debatable and inconclusive at present. "Red blood cells" found in a T. rex fossil have not been proven to be red blood cells (The below article is from May 2006 and testing was still going on).
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Fossils are usually not able to be directly dated by any [[radiometric dating]] method.
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[[Carbon dating]] can only be used if carbon remains, which is not the case with most fossils.
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Most other dating methods work on [[igneous|volcanic rock]], whereas most fossils are contained in [[sedimentary]] rock.
  
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Instead, fossils are often dated by evolutionists according to ages that have already been assigned to various [[geologic system|rock layers]].
Inside the dinosaur vessels are things Schweitzer diplomatically calls “round microstructures” in the journal article, out of an abundance of scientific caution, but they are red and round, and she and other scientists suspect that they are red blood cells.
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Radiometric dating may be used to narrow this down, by dating available volcanic layers above and/or below the fossil-containing layer.
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However, radiometric dating is not a reliable method of dating fossils, and is rejected by creationary scientists.
  
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== Organic matter in fossils ==
  
Schweitzer has been testing her dinosaur tissue samples for proteins, which are a bit hardier and more readily distinguished from contaminants. Specifically, she’s been looking for collagen, elastin and hemoglobin.
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Organic matter has been found in some fossils.
<ref>http://www.smithsonianmag.com/issues/2006/may/dinosaur.php?page=3</ref>
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In 1997 Dr. [[Mary Schweitzer]] of [[Montana State University]] reported finding red [[blood]] cells inside a ''[[Tyrannosaurus rex]]'' bone.<ref name="blood">Wieland, 1997.</ref>
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And in 2005 the same scientist reported finding blood vessels that were still "soft and stretchy" in another ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' bone claimed to be 65 million years old.<ref name="soft">Wieland, 2005.</ref>
  
Creationists often use the argument for rapid fossilization but the requirements for rapid fossilization are very specific and unusual in real lifeThere are a lack of articles in any of the major scientific journals on the matterJudging from the large number of fossils from different rock layers and rock types around the world it would be unlikely that they all formed from these very specific conditions.
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It is well-accepted that biological matter cannot last anything like 65 million years.
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For example:
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* Schweitzer herself expressed surprise that the blood cells could last that long:
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{{QuoteBox|It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone’. But, of course, I couldn’t believe it. I said to the lab technician: ‘The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long? &mdash;Wieland, 2005a}}
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{{QuoteBox|I just got goose bumps, because everyone knows these things don’t last for 65 million years.&mdash;Catchpoole and Sarfati}}
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* Schweitzer had difficulties getting her research published because others didn't believe that blood cells could last that longOne reviewer didn't believe her, saying that what she was finding was not possible.  Schweitzer commented:
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{{QuoteBox|If you take a blood sample, and you stick it on a shelf, you have nothing recognizable in about a week, ... So why would there be anything left in dinosaurs? &mdash;Catchpoole and Sarfati}}
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* The reason that they won't last that long is known:
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{{QuoteBox|As Dr Aw Swee Eng (former professor of biochemistry, Singapore University) confirmed to me personally, complex biomolecules such as proteins are thermodynamically destined to fall apart eventually (from the random motion of molecules) even were they to be protected from all outside influences such as air, moisture, bacteria, etc. &mdash;Wieland, 2005b}}
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Creationists argue that this constitutes evidence that the fossils are not that old.,<ref name="blood" /><ref name="soft" /> whilst evolutionists argue either that this constitutes evidence that it can last that long, or that the apparent blood cells (which passed several tests for blood) were not really blood cells.
 
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== Creation Science View ==
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Many [[Young Earth Creationists]] disagree with the idea that fossils could be millions of years old because they believe the Earth to have been created only several thousand years ago. They point to the fact that some dinosaur bones have been found that still contain organic matter as evidence that these creatures were alive only several thousand years ago rather than 65 million years ago.  They also point out that sometimes bones can fossilize very quickly if they are in the right place, so even though scientists predict that the process will usually take a very long time, this is not always the case.<ref>Answers in Genesis: [http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/dinosaurbones.asp "Dinosaur bones—just how old are they really?"]</ref>
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== See also ==
 
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==References==
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== Bibliography ==
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* Catchpoole, David, and Sarfati, Jonathan, [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/4504 ‘Schweitzer’s Dangerous Discovery’], 19 July 2006 (Creation Ministries International).
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* Wieland, Carl, [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/606 Sensational dinosaur blood report!], ''Creation'' 19(4):42–43, September 1997.
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* Wieland, Carl, [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/3042 Still soft and stretchy] 25 March 2005 (Creation Ministries International).
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* Wieland, Carl, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3427/ Squirming at the Squishosaur] 16 May 2005 (Creation Ministries International)
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* Wile, Jay L. ''Exploring Creation With Biology''. Apologia Educational Ministries, Inc. 1998
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== Notes ==
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Latest revision as of 03:54, August 17, 2016

Fossils are preserved remains of once-living organisms.[1] They are usually formed when mineral-rich water makes its way into the organism's body. The minerals within the water aggregate within the spaces within the body and solidify. Once the organism's tissues have dissolved away, all that is left behind is a rock mold of the creature's shape.

Fossil record

Biblical creationists (such as Gary E. Parker, creationist pastor)[2][3] see most of the fossil record as a record of the burial of creatures during Noah's Flood, wherein the creatures dwelling on the seafloor were buried first, then other marine creatures, amphibians, slow-moving reptiles, faster-moving mammals and birds, and finally, humans, the most able to escape the floodwaters the longest.

Atheistic paleontologists,[4] geologists and evolutionists believe that the fossil record is a record of the evolution of life on Earth, with the oldest fossils, those of the earliest and simplest creatures, being at the base of the fossil record, and more recent and more advanced creatures higher up. This assumes no folding or bending of the geological strata.

Dating fossils

Fossils are usually not able to be directly dated by any radiometric dating method. Carbon dating can only be used if carbon remains, which is not the case with most fossils. Most other dating methods work on volcanic rock, whereas most fossils are contained in sedimentary rock.

Instead, fossils are often dated by evolutionists according to ages that have already been assigned to various rock layers. Radiometric dating may be used to narrow this down, by dating available volcanic layers above and/or below the fossil-containing layer. However, radiometric dating is not a reliable method of dating fossils, and is rejected by creationary scientists.

Organic matter in fossils

Organic matter has been found in some fossils. In 1997 Dr. Mary Schweitzer of Montana State University reported finding red blood cells inside a Tyrannosaurus rex bone.[5] And in 2005 the same scientist reported finding blood vessels that were still "soft and stretchy" in another Tyrannosaurus rex bone claimed to be 65 million years old.[6]

It is well-accepted that biological matter cannot last anything like 65 million years. [7]

Creationists argue that this constitutes evidence that the fossils are not that old.,[5][6] whilst evolutionists argue either that this constitutes evidence that it can last that long, or that the apparent blood cells (which passed several tests for blood) were not really blood cells.

See also

Bibliography

Notes

  1. Wile, 1998
  2. What does the fossil record teach us about evolution?, Christian Answers, accessed 2009-05-03
  3. Books by Gary E. Parker, May be confused with another Gary E. Parker (Christian author), a Christian author.
  4. Web Geological Time Machine, University of California - Berkeley, Museum of Paleontology, accessed 2009-05-03
  5. 5.0 5.1 Wieland, 1997.
  6. 6.0 6.1 Wieland, 2005.
  7. For example:
    • Schweitzer herself expressed surprise that the blood cells could last that long:
    It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone’. But, of course, I couldn’t believe it. I said to the lab technician: ‘The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long? —Wieland, 2005a
    I just got goose bumps, because everyone knows these things don’t last for 65 million years.—Catchpoole and Sarfati
    • Schweitzer had difficulties getting her research published because others didn't believe that blood cells could last that long. One reviewer didn't believe her, saying that what she was finding was not possible. Schweitzer commented:
    If you take a blood sample, and you stick it on a shelf, you have nothing recognizable in about a week, ... So why would there be anything left in dinosaurs? —Catchpoole and Sarfati
    • The reason that they won't last that long is known:
    As Dr Aw Swee Eng (former professor of biochemistry, Singapore University) confirmed to me personally, complex biomolecules such as proteins are thermodynamically destined to fall apart eventually (from the random motion of molecules) even were they to be protected from all outside influences such as air, moisture, bacteria, etc. —Wieland, 2005b