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/* Twelve */ relevance of Luke 5:39 to John 2:9-10 "No man having drunk old wine immediately desires new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ " "You have kept the good wine until now"
:The fundamentalist position is clear, that the very use of wine with ''any'' degree of alcoholic content would therefore immediately constitute a sin of drunkenness the moment it touched the lips, "''the fatal first step''".
::('''KJV texts—''' [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+9%3A20-27&version=KJV Genesis 9:20-27]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+10%3A9-10&version=KJV Leviticus 10:9-10]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+13%3A4&version=KJV Judges 13:4], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+13%3A7&version=KJV 7], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges+13%3A14&version=KJV 14]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+1%3A13-16&version=KJV 1 Samuel 1:13-16]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+4%3A16-17&version=KJV Proverbs 4:16-17]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+20%3A1&version=KJV 20:1]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+23%3A20&version=KJV 23:20], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+23%3A29-35&version=KJV 29-35]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+31%3A1-7&version=KJV 31:1-7]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+5%3A11&version=KJV Isaiah 5:11], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+5%3A22-23&version=KJV 22-23]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+28%3A7-8&version=KJV 28:7-8]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+35%3A5-8&version=KJV Jeremiah 35:5-8]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+44%3A21&version=KJV Ezekiel 44:21]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+1%3A8-20&version=KJV Daniel 1:8-20]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hosea+4%3A11&version=KJV Hosea 4:11]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk+2%3A5&version=KJV Habakkuk 2:5]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Habakkuk+2%3A5&version=RSVCE 2 Maccabees 15:39]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A13-15&version=KJV Acts 2:13-15]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+14%3A21&version=KJV Romans 14:21]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5%3A18&version=KJV Ephesians 5:18]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+3%3A2-3&version=KJV 1 Timothy 3:2-3], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+3%3A8-9&version=KJV 8-9]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+1%3A7&version=KJV Titus 1:7]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus+2%3A3&version=KJV 2:3]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+4%3A3-5&version=KJV 1 Peter 4:3-5]),
:The fundamentalist conclusion, that the sin of drunkenness is inextricably linked to wine, leading ''always'' to poverty, crime, disease, insanity and death, is the basis of the doctrine that the production of alcoholic wine by the sinless Jesus would have involved him in providing immediate opportunity for serious sin. Christian fundamentalists who demand total abstinence teach that what Jesus miraculously produced was fresh grape juice, "the best wine, the good wine", and they assert that no Jew ever got drunk on the wine provided at any Jewish marriage feast, and that being "full of new wine" did not mean being drunk with alcohol but only "full to satiety" (satiated, filled to the full, fully satisfied, unable to consume any more). No one ever became drunk by drinking too much grape juice. (However, grape juice consumed in excessively large amounts does have a strongly laxative effect, usually resulting in episodes of diarrhea.)
:Consider the relevance of Luke 5:39 to John 2:9-10 :*"No man having drunk old wine immediately desires new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ " <br>Luke 5:39. :*"You have kept the good wine until now" <br>John 2:9-10. :See, e.g., [https://ia802605.us.archive.org/5/items/oinosdiscussiono00fieliala/oinosdiscussiono00fieliala_bw.pdf "'''Oinos: a discussion of the Bible wine question'''," by Leon C. Field (1883)], also .<br>Also the online article [http://www.orgsites.com/ky/jesusfirst/_pgg9.php3 '''Jesus And Wine?'''], both <br>Both of them these discussions are in (partial) contradiction of facts cited in ''Hastings Bible Dictionary'' entry "WINE" above.
:This doctrine that "new wine" in the Bible "''always''" means only non-intoxicating "freshly squeezed grape juice" containing no alcoholic content whatever, is a [[falsehood]] that contradicts the teaching of the Bible, the same Bible which clearly demonstrates that drinking an excess of new wine does produce drunkenness, that new wine "takes away reason". See again Acts 2:13-15 and those other texts already cited above which specifically mention new wine.
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